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The result was merge to Listen Campaign. MBisanz ^talk 12:09, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Hollingsworth[edit]

I don't believe this individual meets the notability guidelines for inclusion. In the article, all the sources used appear to be sources about the Mandela concert this person organized, not about the person himself; of the ones that I can access from here, none of them even mention his name. Google Web and Google News searches return no relevant results (the web search gets lots of social networking sites and a blog from some other guy who has the same name); Google Books search gets a couple, but they all seem to just be passing mention, and again they are about the concert rather than Hollingsworth himself (and many of the other results are a different Tony Hollingsworth, who appears to be a meteorologist or something). The original versions of this article read like a CV, and the current version doesn't seem to have any noteworthy content about Hollingsworth; I don't see there ever being a need for this article that can't be filled by putting this information on the Mandela concert article itself. Nothing else the individual has done seems to generated any significant third-party attention (apart from possibly the Jobs for a Change thing, which is cited to a book that I can't access right now; nevertheless, again, all the content about that could be merged into its respective article, rather than kept here). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 15:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ I find coverage with regard to the listen campaign: [1], as well as some other coverage: [2], including discussion of some rather interesting things, like censorship. He seems very solidly notable to me. Cazort (talk) 19:42, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have been thinking about this some more and I think it might be better to delete all problematic content and then Merge/Redirect into Listen Campaign. You are right that most of the sources being about the event. And that page needs cleanup. There is some interesting content that belongs somewhere. Cazort (talk) 22:42, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your searches turned up some stuff I hadn't seen before; particularly, this one might help somewhat with notability (since it seems to be, at first glance, about what he actually did, rather than just being about the event and mentioning that he organized it). That being said, though, I do agree there's still a general problem with most of the sources being about the events rather than him... I guess I'll just let this afd run and see what others think. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 22:58, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just my modest opinion, great events do not happen on thir own. Takes a lot of work and effort by somebody. This person seems to be one of the behind the scenes folks who makes it happen. Now, seeing the list of the events and their nature, I would almost say weak keep and improve a lot. Organizing good causes. Turqoise127 (talk) 18:07, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As the author of the original piece, I accept many of the criticism you have made about this entry. But I do think Hollingsworth is a notable person, by virtue of the fact that he has produced some notable concerts. He is no less notable if the references to him are mainly references to the concerts. Surely, it is right for Wikipedia to carry an entry on such a person, bringing together the various concerts. With reference to a dialogue between you and a contributor (Wireless1917), you imply Hollingsworth was merely the organiser of concerts. It is also important that several of the concerts were organised as television programmes (which require different criteria), and sold to broadcasters around the world – no mean feat. Hollingsworth was responsible for this. The Mandela 70th Birthday Tribute would not have had anywhere near as much effect without the widespread television coverage – which in turn partly depended on bringing in a large number of top artists. Rogers Waters threatened to pull out of The Wall – Live in Berlin because he, Waters, and the people he had appointed had failed to bring in the artists. Hollingsworth, who was already acting as producer (itself no mean job for such an event), took over and the event was almost immediately resurrected.Peter Elman (talk) 10:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Per the policies WP:Verifiability and WP:Notability, Wikipedia doesn´t care how great of a job he did or how difficult the work was, but only what is said in and can be verified through reliable sources (ie, what has received significant coverage). For instance, when I was little I climbed the most ridiculously high tree on my street, and I guarantee you it was really difficult and when I got to the top it was really awesome. But that doesn´t mean I deserve a Wikipedia article because I did such a great job. --rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 12:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:10, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or Redirect into Listen Campaign all relevant info and delete the rest. He's not the subject of coverage, rather he's mentioned. لenna vecia 15:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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