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The result was delete. TigerShark (talk) 13:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Tobias Linse[edit]
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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. BangJan1999 20:27, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete A topic is presumed to merit an article if:
- 1. It meets either the general notability guideline (GNG) for Wikipedia, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline (SNG) listed on Wikipedia.
- 2. It is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy.
- This doesn’t conform to any of the above, and the article lacks any notable references hence justifies my decision.
- Burberryjzk89 (talk) 21:34, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete very little information and it doesn't site any source Rebel Agent (talk) 02:55, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 18:30, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:37, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Week keep There are German sources, [1] professional German football league player, there are a few other sources around. Govvy (talk) 15:06, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I found other German sources for him online as well (like 2). Also, he made 38 appearances in a fully pro league (German 3. Liga). Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]- Delete. How many times do we have to repeat football clubs are not independent of their players before people stop citing them as evidence of GNG? A press release from VFR Aalen fails GNG. A word-for-word reprint of a press release (even including the PR contact -- see here in the section translated as "Enema Children") put up on a fan site by an anonymous user fails GNG. Govvy and Das osmnezz, this is seriously getting disruptive. JoelleJay (talk) 04:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @JoelleJay:, Sorry, I did not know that the source I put was an fan website. As a result, will do more research on the source websites for players from now on and will withdraw my keep vote. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 05:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for being understanding! JoelleJay (talk) 05:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment A primary source would be the player writing about himself, you could consider a football club writing about one of their players both primary and secondary. @JoelleJay: And speaking ones mind is not disruptive, the guy was a football league player in German, lets say there are local papers for each region of Germany, and that those local papers run articles on the football clubs for those areas on the back pages and mention these players on them. Maybe you can figure it out and do the correct research instead of having a whine at me. VfR Aalen is a league club, and generally speaking league clubs have good coverage in the media from my experience. I just saw an Italian professional league player who played for three top flight clubs in Italy got deleted. Are we going to do the same here because everyone is too afraid to do the actual work. Govvy (talk) 08:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Govvy, you know full well that clubs are not independent sources and cannot ever be used to contribute to GNG. So why did you suggest it in your !vote, instead of one of the "other sources" you allude to? If you're so intent on keeping this article, why don't you do the work of finding sources? I have looked in regional German media (e.g. Schwabische), everything I've seen is transactional or quote-heavy press releases.
- And no, that is not all a primary source is. JoelleJay (talk) 16:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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