The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep+Move. Discussion seems to be consensus is to keep the article but move to Vasiliy Nechitailo. (non-admin closure) Sir Joseph ^(talk) 16:17, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The monument of Vasiliy Nechitailo[edit]

The monument of Vasiliy Nechitailo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Non-notable monument to a relatively unknown Russian artist. No significant sources to be found. Even ru.wiki does not have an article about Nechitailo. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, though probably move to Vasiliy Nechitailo or a spelling variation, and refocus about the notable artist. The existence of a monument about them is an indication of their importance; the monument can be mentioned in article about the artist. Given cyrillic lettering and spelling variations possible, I bet that, contrary to the nomination, there is an article about the artist in ru.wiki. But even if not, the artist is notable. Here is one solid source about the artist, about a retrospective show and with biographical info. --Doncram (talk) 20:58, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Try Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL, but I don't know how to search in Russian language sources. --Doncram (talk) 20:58, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The existence of a monument does not guarantee notability beyond his own hometown. Lots of "local heroes" are memorialized in their hometowns, while unknown beyond. If reliable sources existed for the artist, I suspect that ru.wiki would have an article about him, at which point we could translate that article to English as a redirect target for this monument. But ru.wiki does not have such an article (although it does have an article about this monument, with poor sourcing and a redlink to the artist's name, since that article has been deleted from ru.wiki). (See ru:Памятник Нечитайло and ru:Нечитайло, Василий Кириллович.)

By the exhibition in Minnesota about him, he is notable by wp:ARTIST clause 4b.

He is noted as a Soviet Socialist realist artist, including "heroic propaganda of the Stalinist era – huge paintings like Glory to the Great Stalin (1950) by Yury Kugagh, Vasily Nechitailo and Victor Tsyplakov" (quoted from Google book here, just a passing mention but I interpret this to be an indication of importance. An "indication" of significance is not a "guarantee", of course I never said that. --Doncram (talk) 21:40, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Another alternative to deletion is to merge into a List of monuments and memorials in Taganrog (currently a redlink) or List of monuments and memorials in Rostov Oblast (currently a redlink), which would fit into Category:Lists of monuments and memorials. Such a list could be standalone or could be included into Taganrog or Rostov Oblast articles. It could include other landmarks perhaps. This would handle multiple AFDs already started and help to head off more. See also ongoing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alley of Immortality (Taganrog) (a memorial) and ongoing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Admiralty Sloboda (a "landmark" not a monument necessarily) and deletion nominator for all of these, User:WikiDan61 may have targeted more. There exists Commons categories for "Category:Monuments and memorials in Rostov Oblast" and "Category:Monuments and memorials in Taganrog" suggesting more possibly marginal articles might exist or be created in the future, which could be addressed by a list-article instead. WikiDan61, could you please not nominate more for deletion by separate AFDs, but rather instead participate in making one list-article, say? Or handle these in some other productive discussion elsewhere (please invite me). --Doncram (talk) 16:30, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Followup: I did start that list-article about monuments in Taganrog (located on the Sea of Azov, part of the Black Sea), but this Vasili Nechitailo monument is located in Azov (located on the Don River which runs into the Sea of Azov?) or in Salsk (located on the Sredny Yegorlyk River which is a Don River tributary), so is not very close. --Doncram (talk) 22:30, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I would agree with the merge proposal as proposed above. List of monuments and memorials in Taganrog is a suitable option. Lorstaking (talk) 11:21, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and move to Vasiliy Nechitailo. Notable artist who deserves a standalone article. Lorstaking (talk) 11:36, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Agreed: Nechitailo deserves an article. But he doesn't have one yet, so there is no target for a merge. If someone is willing to write the article on Nechitailo, we can then proceed with a merge. In the meantime, I suggest draftifying the present article, so that the history can be preserved for a future merge to the as-yet-uncreated article. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:49, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Update Hoping to resolve this, I have edited the article to be more about the artist than the monument, so that this can be closed "Keep" with further instruction to move to Vasili Nechitailo or spelling variation. Note the deletion nominator agrees above that Nechitailo can have an article; I don't think we need to draftify and prefer to just make a mainspace artist stub out of this article right away. I voted "Keep" above. --Doncram (talk) 22:26, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to Vasiliy Nechitailo who is a notable artist, article is in good hands with Doncram. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:07, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Move to Vasiliy Nechitailo per the discussion above. Goharshady (talk) 14:03, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.