The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I see no reason to redirect as R.O.C. already redirects to Republic of China. Bduke 02:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The R.O.C.[edit]

Peripheral character in the Insane Clown Posse universe. Most of the bands mentioned in the article have already had their own articles deleted. No references. Fails WP:MUSIC and WP:V. (Not to be confused with another rapper with the same name who's appeared on records by Jagged Edge and Will Smith.) Precious Roy 20:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - With a name like that it's difficult to verify notability (there are several R.O.C.'s on allmusic) but it doesn't take much to satisfy WP:MUSIC and based on his discography I'm pretty sure his notable. -- Steve Hart 02:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Of all the R.O.C.s on AllMusic, the only one that might be The R.O.C., is this one, with a completely blank entry. Perhaps I'm being wrongheaded about this, but I think that notability needs to be proved, not disproved. Without any references to show notability, it doesn't exist. Precious Roy 14:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, you're not wrongheaded. The problem is the current version of WP:MUSIC (an artist doesn't have to release an album or even a song but could still be notable). I could support deletes based on V or RS but with so many good articles without references I'm not comfortable making that argument. -- Steve Hart 18:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - I don't see a problem with an artist being considered notable without having released any music, (as long as it's music that they're notable for). Similarly, I don't think releasing music automatically makes someone notable (anyone with the money and the inclination can put out a record). Precious Roy 20:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KrakatoaKatie 05:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non notable. Redirect to Republic of China. Joestella 07:58, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
delete and redirect to Taiwan, per Joestella. 132.205.44.5 02:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.