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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 10:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Fame (Lady GaGa song)[edit]

Article isn't really notable. The only information we have regarding this to be a single is 1 site and a very low placing on a music chart. No evidence of a physical single date, music video. And nothing from the artist or label to support this article. Getluv (talk) 17:16, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Unsourced permastub on a very low charting song, no chance of expansion. The qualifier in the title also makes it an unlikely choice for a redirect. Not all charting songs are notable (case in point: this afd). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 18:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If the song has charted at all, it is automatically notable. -- Eastmain (talk) 21:04, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 22:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I believe TenPoundHammer is correct, Eastmain. According to Wikipedia:Notability (music) "notability aside, a separate article is only appropriate on a song when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article" (therefore charting doesn't determine notability). It doesn't seem that this article has the potential to expand out of stub-class. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 02:05, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The artists notability as well as the songs use in a popular television show and the likeliness that it will rise higher in the charts in the future suggests to me that it deserves it's own article. Tikkuy (talk) 13:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

it hasn't risen though in over 3 weeks. it's dropped back out of the chart, many non-singles chart when they are used in ads or shows. But there is only 1 source, and even that is not irrefutable. There is not enough verifiable evidence to suggest that this will is single, or if it will be a single at all. Getluv (talk) 15:17, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This song is used on a TV show, has charted, is meant to be the next australian single. All the article needs is a few more references to back up the claims of the article.Raintheone (talk) 15:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What TV show uses this song? I wasn't able to find it myself, however, if the song is used on a TV show, then that is important information in determining the notability of this article. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
it was used on a TV show, that is correct. But at the moment this is just an airplay single and nothing else. And it is not the next single. "Eh Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)" has been reported by quite a few Australian websites, with a physical release date of January 31. if you think this article can be improved with extra references, please fix it. but as it stands, this article doesn't look like it will expand.Getluv (talk) 10:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The song was used on the Australian version of Make Me A Supermodel. Getluv, if you can provide a reliable source which states that Eh Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say) is the next single, I would be very interested in seeing it. Otherwise, forgive us if we don't take it as fact. Tikkuy (talk) 11:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[[1]] Getluv (talk) 15:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge — into the larger article about the album. There seems like there will never be anything to expand this with. And it seems that besides that, it fails the GNG. NW's Public Sock (talk) 21:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak Keep~~ Delete In Australia, there are ARIA guidelines which were changed late last year. Before this change, an individual song had to be released as an formal single to be eligible for the mainstream singles chart, hence why Chasing Cars by Snow Patrol went to #1 on digital but did not chart on the mainstream singles chart because of this rule. Now because of the change, singles such as "The Fame" can chart before their intended release (if any). In this case, it has already charted on the mainstream ARIA singles chart and is used as a theme for an Australian TV show (The Australian version of Make Me a Supermodel). It will more than likely keep rising on the Australian chart as well as being released as a formal single and chart in other countries in the short term, but since this conflicts with WP:CRYSTAL, I suggest a weak keep. --Lakeyboy (talk) 23:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really? because another single has already been decided by the label and that has a release date, and it isn't The Fame. It's already dropped out of the chart anyway, and it doesn't look like rising anytime soon. And your last two sentences violate WP:CRYSTAL.Getluv (talk) 10:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because of your comment, I did abit of quick research and pulled up blog entry which states that "Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)" will be the third single, which has also been added to the Lady GaGa discography page with no reference. I also didn't know about it dropping out of the top 100 because I am not willing to pay $220 a year for 50 extra songs in the singles chart list every week, so I look up semi-recent ones on the Pandora Archive. Because of these developments, I have changed my stance from Week Keep to Delete. --Lakeyboy (talk) 13:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

go to australian-charts.com.au, they have a pretty comprehensive list of charts outside the top 50 in the forum where people ask people in the business. Even going to Australian radio stations such as nova or 2dayfm, have details about singles etc. if u google around there is a lot of verifiable stuff that u don't need to pay for. Or even going to itunes, while not a source, its a good indication. The week The Fame charted at #73, it was in the top 60, but has since dropped out. Getluv (talk) 14:55, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: non-notable song, per WP:MUSIC. JamesBurns (talk) 05:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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