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The result was keep.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 13:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Curve (shopping mall)[edit]

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Wikipedia:Notability Mardetanha ^talk 01:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep one of the most noted shopping malls in Malaysia. Its neighbours like Ikano Power Centre has an article. 1 Utama a shopping mall nearby also has an article. Gavatron (talk) 01:48 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. -- brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:07, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletion discussions. -- brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:07, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete It opened in 2005 and only reference is link to its homepage. Preceding argument is WP:OTHERSTUFF plus the word "strong" tacked on. Potatoswatter (talk) 02:31, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - A mall of this size should be notable. The article does need more sources, but I can assume that they can be found, however given the common word, and a foreign language it's a bit hard to check. Still it looks doable [1] --T-rex 03:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep a mall this size is surely notable. JJL (talk) 03:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep. Nominator may want to review searching methods. Sources indicate notability, and there are a lot of them. Celarnor ^{Talk to me} 05:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• The nominator's searching capabilities is not and should not be part of the discussion. Please refrain from making pseudo-personal attacks. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 06:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't intended as a personal attack, and I'm sorry that you see it as one. Unfortunately, the searching capability of the nominator is extremely relevant, both to this AfD and to any other; nominating something whose notability can be shown by a few well-defined searches doesn't help anybody, especially not the project. Celarnor ^{Talk to me} 07:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• "Strong hypocrite" - thanks for posting irrelevant links and not summarizing them. What in your "sources" confers notability? Potatoswatter (talk) 14:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The same things that confer notability to anything. Non-trivial mentions in multiple independent reliable sources. Celarnor ^{Talk to me} 17:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete if it is notable, add the reliable, third party sources to the article. Happyme22 (talk) 08:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Week keep, the independent sources provided by Celarnor show some notability - Dumelow (talk)
• Keep per the sources provided by Celarnor. I hate to argue WP:NUMBERWANG, but I would imagine that just about any mall with 250 stores is likely to be the subject of reliable sources. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 15:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Though the article lacks references and uses the mall's own site as its lone external link, it obviously appears to be an important place in the region, and the article should be kept, while those familiar with the location make improvements. Sebwite (talk) 06:24, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The official source in the article claims [2] "net lettable area of 660,000 square feet" Per the "rejected notability guideline" for malls, WP:MALL, the ICSC, which is the governing body for malls, considers a mall of 400,000 to 800,000 sq ft a "regional mall" in the U.S. In Malaysia, one of 660,000 sq ft is probably quite a big deal. Malls of less than this size which have been kept in Afds include Dufferin Mall , Wenatchee Valley Mall , Westgate City Center , Forum Mall (Kolkata) , Brighton Mall , Karrinyup Shopping Centre , Hyde Park Village , Greensborough Plaza , Waitakere Mega Centre , Westfield Manukau City , Manukau Supa Centre , Southmall Manurewa , Brighton Mall , and The Mall at Partridge Creek , although some larger malls have been deleted for whatever reason. Edison (talk) 04:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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