The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:51, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Palacios[edit]

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His professional career consists of 3 appearances in the third tier 2016 USL season. Whilst his very brief professional career might create a presumption of passing WP:GNG, there is a growing consensus among the Wikipedia community that GNG actually needs to be demonstrated in borderline cases such as this one. Searches in Google News came back with very little. The only non-WP:ROUTINE content I found was this article where he was named the best athlete at his high school. GauchoDude (talk) 19:38, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:53, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - there is longstanding consensus that scraping by on NFOOTBALL with one or two appearances is insufficient when GNG is failed so comprehensively, as is the case here. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 22:15, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, passes NFOOTY and GNG in my opinion, and three pro appearances and a 5 year athletic playing career is enough for page to be kept.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'd love to see your GNG sources when you have a chance. GauchoDude (talk) 17:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I think people who have played in low tier American leagues definitely need to pass GNG and this one doesn't. NFOOTY alone is insufficient. No Great Shaker (talk) 08:47, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Article about former footballer which comprehensively fails WP:GNG (the single OC Register article about his high school soccer career doesn't come close - nor do the match reports, tryout or coaching announcements). Any presumption of notability from NFOOTBALL is invalid. Jogurney (talk) 13:47, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – Coverage for Palacios, going chronologically through his career: high school ([1] [2], plus the article previously found by the nom), youth soccer with Chivas USA ([3] [4]), call-ups to the United States men's national under-18 soccer team ([5] [6]), Cal Poly ([7] [8] [9] [10]), Ventura County Fusion ([11] [12]), signing with Portland Timbers 2 ([13]). Additionally, as per his LinkedIn profile, Palacios is now in the United States Army and scored the winning goal at the 2019 Armed Forces Sports Men’s Soccer Championship, as covered [14] [15]. Taken together with the background already on the page, I think there's enough coverage to meet GNG. Keskkonnakaitse (talk) 05:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • None of those sources are significant coverage. I don't see how the article satisfies the GNG. Jogurney (talk) 14:36, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Coverage is trivial. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 07:49, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, played professional association football, even if it wasn't at the highest level. SecretlyQuebecois (talk) 20:00, 13 October 2021 (UTC) is a CU-confirmed sock. Newshunter12 (talk) 22:54, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Per WP:NFOOTBALL, playing professional association football does not guarantee notability, but is only presumed. The established consensus is that players with such a small playing background must meet GNG, as must anything to warrant a standalone article per WP:NOTE. As such, I would contend this keep vote is fundamentally flawed. If this individual cannot meet GNG, regardless of their former playing status, then the article should be removed as has been done previously. GauchoDude (talk) 21:24, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A contested 2016 prod carries no weight. I find it odd that the circumstances of 2016 "removal" were not provided. Nfitz (talk) 23:47, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - coverage presented thus far lacks substance and there's nothing that we can build a meaningful biography from. Soccer career to date is not enough for us to believe, beyond reasonable doubt, that the required significant coverage should exist in offline WP:RS. No prejudice against recreating at a later date if his career suddenly takes an upward turn. For now, fails GNG, which is all that should matter Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:01, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - meets NFOOTBALL with professional football appearances. As noted above there's enough coverage over his career to write an article. Nfitz (talk) 23:44, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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