The result of the debate was delete. howcheng {chat} 19:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This article is about a not very notable newsgroup, and most information in this article is completely irrelevant to the newsgroup. It's very strange. Talrias (t | e | c) 04:33, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the acceptable practice is to keep an original article intact pending the outcome of a review such as that prompted by a recommendation for deletion. But James James, and other fly-by-night aliases posing as editors, are engaging in the practice of treating a replacement "stub" as the main page and any effort to restore the original page as "vandalism." This is turning reality on its head. Restore the original page, conduct your research, weigh in on the discussion, and then make any changes (which may include wholesale deletion) based on the outcome of the review. Even the author of the much-maligned John Seigenthaler article was entitled to 132 days of infamy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.149.8.228 (talk • contribs) 2005-12-27 04:56:33 UTC
No one in the civilized world knows Alt.usenet.kooks. It's endemic to Usenet, that is, until this Wikipedia article started showing up in Google searches of the victim's names. That's the whole point of the article.
This is not an attack piece on Alt.usenet.kooks. It is stand alone content, and shares the same verifiability and "significance" as your beloved Alt.usenet.kooks. Interesting how no one is discussing verifiability anymore. Suddenly, verifiability is not a criterion. You must have followed the links and examined the evidence. That being said, I know one thing that is never a criterion in science or journalism: popularity. How well known subject matter is is utterly beside the point.
Redirection is not the answer. It is tantamount to deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.129.121.254 (talk • contribs) 2005-12-27 15:51:01 UTC
A true editor would defer to policy here. Leave original article. Let this mechanism run its course and let's see where the chips fall. I think you are concerned that by the time the dust settles, enough people will have voiced support for the original version to prevent deletion or redirection. Still, I suspect Wiki editors will violate their own policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.129.121.254 (talk • contribs) 2005-12-27 16:49:31 UTC
A good encyclopedia does not merely mime or mirror other pre-packaged encyclopedias (e.g. the FAQ list), but transcends it. However, I agree that if one had to choose between a stub-based article and no article at all, I'd choose no article at all. There's nothing good anyone can say about this news group except that it boasts some of the highest traffic and is often listed (lazily I might add) as a "resource" on department of psychology web sites. It is also "captured" (i.e. indexed to the Web) by a number of news readers (more news readers than alt.usenet.kooks). Of course, it's only after I ask news reader admins and psych dept web site admins to examine this news group do they realize they made a mistake listing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.129.121.254 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 27 December 2005