- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Nanni Campus. Liz Read! Talk! 22:12, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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First of all, I premise that "Sardinia is already tomorrow" was not a party (original research by the author of the page) but a mere local assembly group. The page has not any utility, and this is evident from its reading: the page merely states that the group (erroneously defined as a party) existed, then it only describes the previous and subsequent political career of its members. In practice, there is not the slightest relevance from reading this page. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 08:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. It does not really matter what a political party is or is not (see note below) or whether a political grouping is active only in a local assembly: also parliamentary-only parties are encyclopedic, indeed. In our case, the subject is notable, is sourced (additional sources might be found) and deserves an article of its own. For fully two years, this grouping was active and played a key role in Sardinian politics. Wikipedia is great especially when it gathers and organises information difficult to find elsewhere. If, regretfully, there is no consensus on keeping this article, I hope it will be possible at least to merge with another article, in order to keep the article's history. Note. It may be disputable what a political party is. According to Encyclopedia Britannica, a political party is a "group of persons organized to acquire and exercise political power" (like Sardinia is already Tomorrow!). Several political scientists have given different definitions and categorisations of political parties, e.g. cadre, mass, catch-all and cartel ones. Especially, at their origins, a role is also played by parliamentary parties, that, according to our own definition in Wikipedia, are groups "consisting of members of the same political party or electoral fusion of parties in a legislative assembly such as a parliament or a city council". --Checco (talk) 10:00, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- It was not a political party but a local assembly's group, personal interpretations of the nature of an organization are Original researches. Even its key role in Sardinian politic must be fully demonstrated. Moreover, this page is almost de facto orphan, nor does its members have their own page, so in this case even a merger seems almost impossible to me.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 10:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Whatever its nature, the subject is encyclopedic and the fact that the information included in the article are not present in other articles and that there is no natural article of merger are, in my view, further arguments for keeping the article. I know that Italian politicians and journalists make distinctions between political parties, political "movements", political associations, parliamentary groups, etc., but these have nothing to do with political science and its international scientific standards. --Checco (talk) 10:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Please, it is not the Italian journalists who distinguish between parties and parliamentary groups (which are objectively and juridically different entities), it seems to me that is you who consider any political subject a "party" according to a personal interpretation of a generic definition of political party. Parliamentary groups are distinct from parties in any jurisdiction, there is no hypothetical "international" scientific theory that claims they are the same..--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 11:15, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into Nanni Campus, which is one of the relevant leaders of this party. It looks like the only relevant news / books sources talk about this party in relation to the arrest of one of its members for misuse of public funds. Yakme (talk) 08:49, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - 1) it is not a party, but a regional parliamentary group; 2) as regional parliamentary group, it had local notability only at most; 3) no inherent notability: the fact that a party exists/existed doesn't mean it deserves an article in Wikipedia --P1221 (talk) 13:59, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- The party (or whatever we would like to call it) was represented by up to five regional councillors out of 60 for two years in the Regional Council of Sardinia, an autonomous region in Italy with two million people. There are thus official sources regarding the party's presence in the legislative body. This alone should convince anyone on the party's relevance and the opportunity of continuing to have an article on it in Wikipedia. --Checco (talk) 08:40, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- It was a simple regional group (not a party) that gathered independent regional councilors and from other parties: it is a very common thing in Italy, there are many examples of this type, but (almost) none of these have their own page; this group, in particular, does not seem to have undertaken any particular political initiative that could have given it notability.--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 14:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 20:35, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think that in this case a good compromise would be the merger with another page, as proposed by Yakme and mentioned by Checco. However, I would merge this page to Mario Diana (page that I recently created), who was chairman of the group, and not to Nanni Campus, who was a just its member. Could this be an acceptable solution?--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 21:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TigerShark (talk) 03:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Proposal: From my point of view there is no consensus to maintain a standalone article for this simple regional group (which has never stood out for any particular reason), so I reaffirm that in my opinion the best compromise to close this Afd would be a merger with another page (and I would propose the page of chairman Mario Diana).--Scia Della Cometa (talk) 09:15, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I thing the above proposal is acceptable, in order to preserve the information in this article if there is not enough consensus to keep it as a stand-alone article.--Autospark (talk) 12:41, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @User:SDC, @User:Autospark: Of course, a merger would be better than deletion, but why a "regional group" should not be encyclopedic? In my view, any political party participating in elections and any political party/group/grouping active in an elective assembly is worth of an article, especially when it is backed by some many sources as this. --Checco (talk) 13:46, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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