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The result was merge and redirect to Football Icon. — Aitias // discussion 00:37, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Hurrell[edit]

Contested PROD, reason given was; "Winning the television talent contest is a substantial claim to notability; the referenced article appears to be as much about Hurrell as his football career".

However, WP:NOTNEWS states "Even when an event is notable, individuals involved in it may not be. Unless news coverage of an individual goes beyond the context of a single event, our coverage of that individual should be limited to the article about that event, in proportion to their importance to the overall topic."

His footballing career alone does not pass the criteria for sportspeople at WP:ATHLETE, as he has never played in a fully-professional league/competition. --Jimbo^[online] 13:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Giant Snowman 13:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and delete - not notable for a stand-alone article, but his career perhaps deserves a mention at the Football Icon page. Giant Snowman 13:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Unless I am mistaken, he passes the first criterion of WP:ATHLETE as having "competed at the fully professional level of a sport". Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the clubs he has played for are fully professional. Cool3 (talk) 14:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC) Delete. Turns out I was mistaken. Cool3 (talk) 16:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Football Icon. Subject does not meet WP:ATHLETE, as nominator points out. Claim to notability per WP:BIO appears somewhat weaker than I thought when de-PRODding, as it's predicated on coverage linked Football Icon. At the very least, "Sam Hurrell" is a credible search term, suggesting a redirect would be appropriate. CJPargeter (talk) 15:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is there something I'm missing? Isn't Chelsea F.C. a fully professional club? And at least to my underinformed eyes, St Albans City F.C. looks like one too. Cool3 (talk) 15:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Chelsea is a fully-professional club in a fully-pro league, but Hurrell never made an appearance for them. Hundreds of kids go through club academies but never play in a competitive match. St Albans aren't a professional club, even if they were, the league(s) they've played in has to be fully-professional for him to qualify. A list of fully-pro leagues can be found at WP:FPL. --Jimbo^[online] 15:51, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I see, thank you. Cool3 (talk) 16:03, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Football Icon. Subject fails WP:ATHLETE by never having played at a fully professional level of the sport. His claim to notability rests only on having won the talent show, so per WP:NOTNEWS, he is not personally notable, though he should be covered in the article about the show. As CJPargeter points out, his name is a credible search term, so merge and redirect seems the best option. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Football Icon as player did not make the required level for footballer and therefore a bit WP:ONEEVENTish, unlike winner of series 2 who actually did become a footballer of note. --ClubOranje^T 02:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Football Icone per comments above. --Angelo (talk) 10:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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