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The result was Delete and replace with Rimon (disambiguation). Sandstein 09:17, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Nonnotable wine, unreferenced text giving no indications of notability Loew Galitz (talk) 16:42, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Rimon Winery. I don't see anything in this article to Merge. The could also be an argument that Rimon (disambiguation) should be at the base name, but since there are no exact matches, the wine brand may well be the PT. MB 14:10, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
since there are no exact matches
means exactly that this must be a dab page and not be squatted by a nonnotable wine/winery. If anything Rimon (name) is more notable, or even Yosef Zvi Rimon, with multiple awards. Loew Galitz (talk) 16:16, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]- Delete, move Rimon (disambiguation) to Rimon. The winebrand is not distingushable from the winery. The name itself is Hebrew for Pomegranate and is widely used. Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) (talk) 09:37, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Move the dab to the base title as there doesn't appear to be a primary topic (all the entries are valid as far as I can tell: people with the name are alright per MOS:DABSUR, "Rimon" is the name of one of the villages in Rimon-et-Savel, etc.). No opinion on whether the wine brand is notable, but the presumption should probably be that it isn't: in that case, instead of deletion it's better to move the current article to something like Rimon (wine), then turn it into a redirect to the winery and tag it with ((R with history)) and ((R from subtopic)). Uanfala (talk) 12:46, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree, Rimon (wine) could point at Rimon Winery. The winery only has this one label which is named after itself and the fruit (pomegranate) used to make the wine. There isn't anything to merge to the winery other than maybe the File:PikiWiki Israel 46764 Entertainment.jpg image of bottles. Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) (talk) 15:00, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. And move Rimon (disambiguation) to Rimon. Everyone above made some great points. Researcher (Hebrew: חוקרת) also drew the right conclusions. gidonb (talk) 18:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I did not look into the wine, so I have no opinion on that. But I like to note that the nominator effectively removed the article without any discussion, replacing it with what is now Rimon (disambiguation). Beside that, I do not understand why Rimon (name) was split off from the disambiguation page. The Banner talk 18:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:BOLD, colleague, have you ever heard about this rule? Loew Galitz (talk) 19:40, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Name is split because this is a normal practice, because names/surnames are different types of pages. Even wikidata creates a mess by treting them differently, if in one languag it is a disambig page and in another language it is a surname page. Loew Galitz (talk) 19:40, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Kudos for another great point, this time by User:The Banner. Rimon (name) is a premature disambiguation spinoff and needs to merge into the new Rimon disambiguation page at WP:PRIMARY! gidonb (talk) 22:29, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that Rimon (name) should be merged back into the dab: a separate surname index is warranted either if there's significant encyclopedic content about the name (there is virtually none) or if the list of people has become so long as to make using the dab page cumbersome (with just 4 entries, it doesn't look like this is ever going to happen).
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