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The result was delete. The arguments that this is essentially a how-to guide are compelling in light of our policy (WP:NOTGUIDE) The article still reads like a guide, opinions to the contrary in this discussion notwithstanding. Sandstein 14:46, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reporting illegal aliens in the United States[edit]

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Fails not WP:NOTGUIDE JMHamo (talk) 23:27, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Hi all, the author of the page is someone I know in real life, and he's working on his first article. He's going to go ahead and change the page so that it mentions news sites that have discussed the phenomenon, how much this is being done, etc., rather than just the guide it currently is. He's going to do this today, and once he does that, the article should be kept. -Ethanbas (talk) 00:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I've added more content to the article other than just how to report aliens, and removed some info on reporting aliens. Hopefully this makes this less of a guide. Please let me know if there are any other problems with this article. Jmpetroske (talk) 08:41, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The page no longer reads like a guide. Riceissa (talk) 20:37, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Deportation and removal from the United States per WP:PAGEDECIDE. This information needs to be presented within the context of the broader legal framework for immigration, deportation, and removal in the United States. At the moment, there is not much information at the Deportation and removal from the United States article, so I recommend that Jmpetroske devotes their efforts to presenting this information within that article. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:17, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Follow up comment: I would like to take a moment to expand upon my previous comment and to explain, in greater detail, why this article is not appropriate as a standalone page. The topic presented in this article relies upon the premise that the act of "reporting" unauthorized immigrants consists of tips (anonymous or otherwise) provided to law enforcement. The article also suggests (implicitly) that this form of reporting is a widespread phenomenon. This is a drastic oversimplification of the existing regulatory framework for immigration and naturalization in the United States. It does not accurately describe the existing system of information disclosure (or nondisclosure) between the federal government, states, local governments, foreign governments, and the private sector. For example, in a practical sense, "reporting" could also encompass the obligation of employers to verify the immigration status of employees (see I-9 (form)) and the "non-reporting" that occurs in sanctuary cities. In its current form, the article provides readers an incomplete and misleading description of the role of the private sector in enforcing immigration laws/regulations. If Jmpetroske wants to add information in this encyclopedia about the role of the private sector in enforcing immigration/nationality laws, it needs to be included in an article that provides readers sufficient background information about the existing regulatory framework. I think the best place to do so is either at Deportation and removal from the United States (though that article is woefully incomplete and requires significant expansion) or at the Illegal immigration to the United States article (which is much expansive). It is also essential (per WP:WEIGHT) to include a full range of viewpoints about the benefits/harms that result from private sector involvement in enforcing immigration laws. It is also very important to address the normative questions about delegating "reporting" rights/responsibilities to the private sector. There is substantial legal scholarship on these issues, so it should not be difficult to include a range of viewpoints. See, for example:^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]. My recommendation is to begin updating the Illegal immigration to the United States article or Deportation and removal from the United States article with a more thorough description of the existing legal framework and then, after you have done that, you can discuss the ways in which state governments, local governments, foreign governments, and private actors participate in this system. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 13:54, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Adam B. Cox & Eric A. Posner, Delegation in Immigration Law, 79 U. Chi. L. Rev. 1285 (2012).
^ Hiroshi Motomura, Who Belongs?: Immigration Outside the Law and the Idea of Americans in Waiting, 2 U.C. Irvine L. Rev. 359 (2012).
^ Policing Immigrant Communities, 128 Harv. L. Rev. 1771 (2015).
^ Eric A. Posner, The Institutional Structure of Immigration Law, 80 U. Chi. L. Rev. 289 (2013).
^ Christine N. Cimini, Hands Off Our Fingerprints: State, Local, and Individual Defiance of Federal Immigration Enforcement, 47 U. Conn. L. Rev. 101 (2014).

- Yeah I think you're right. If an admin wants to delete this page go ahead. Jmpetroske (talk) 01:55, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - this is transparently an article that was written first as a xenophobic "how to guide", by a new single-purpose account, packed into a soapbox, and hung on a coat rack. No clean up will fix the basic idea, nor will good-faith efforts clean up the taint. We, the Wikipedians, are incorporated as a charity - not a way to spread dangerous ideas. See Yick Wo v. Hopkins. Shameful. It needs to be salted. Bearian (talk) 00:28, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- You sling a lot of mud, but you have absolutely no evidence to back up your claims. I held a very informal Wikipedia edit-a-thon a few days ago at the University of Washington, and this is the topic Jmpetroske chose to write on. I can assure you that he has no ill intentions when editing Wikipedia. --Ethanbas (talk) 01:02, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand that it might have come off that way. However, just because you disagree with the something, doesn't mean its bad to do research or educate people about it. I am confused how you ended up on Wikipedia if you are scared of valid information. I'm very sure there are better sites for spreading hateful messages than Wikipedia. So I think I will ignore what you say and continue to spread my "xenophobia" on Wikipedia. Jmpetroske (talk) 02:34, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Illegal immigration to the United States#Deportation or delete. We already have an article about the topic of deportation in the US. The only reason I can see to keep this is to give people advice on how to do it, and we're not a how-to guide. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Deportation and removal from the United States. Delete, upon considering the implications of a merge and delete, as pointed out by NinjaRobotPirate Reporting illegal aliens in the United States is a duplication of an existing topic. It would be inappropriate to merge it to Illegal immigration to the United States#Deportation because the scope of the article is aliens, not just immigrants (a subset). Oppose a redirect, because the title should not exist at all, as it still implies a how-to-guide. Mduvekot (talk) 17:48, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Mduvekot: Merging it will leave a redirect. Because of attribution requirements, we can't really merge and then delete. If you don't want a redirect left behind, vote to delete. As far as the target goes, I personally don't care that much where it's redirected or merged to. Anywhere is fine with me. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:59, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.