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The result was keep. ✗plicit 11:49, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Raymundo Torres (footballer)[edit]

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No evidence of notability Ficaia (talk) 06:18, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Ficaia (talk) 06:18, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 09:42, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - professional footballer in Mexico's top league; numerous appearances; nominator has not complied with WP:BEFORE in trying to locate coverage. over 7,500 results on Google News for 'Raymundo Torres futbol'. Giant Snowman 09:45, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per GS. As with several other cases, the OP has failed to perform BEFORE and has ignored or failed to understand significant facts in the article. NGS ^{Shakin' All Over} 14:55, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Article makes clear that the subject had an extensive career at the highest levels of Mexican football, making the claim that there is "no evidence of notability" clearly nonsense -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Mexico. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:47, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails SPORTBASIC. Notability is based on significant coverage, not the number of games or level at which they've played. –dlthewave ☎ 12:05, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. I was unable to find any and none is present in the article or has been presented here. The !keep arguments all fall into WP:MUSTBESOURCES, WP:ASSERTN and WP:Clearly notable without presenting any significant sources. Alvaldi (talk) 12:10, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll change my !vote to Keep per User:Jogurney's excelent work on finding sources. I feel the subject passes GNG with the coverage now in the article. Alvaldi (talk) 17:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Many appearances over 15 years in one of the top leagues in the world. Gosh, I've even watched him play for Atlante F.C. in a Champions League match against the Montreal Impact. Completely ignores consensus - and big BEFORE failure, with (as noted above) significant coverage (these are first two I found in seconds in google), such as this and this. Nfitz (talk) 23:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Although I !voted to keep (see below), let's not exaggerate his career. Most of it was spent in the second level of Mexican football. He played in the Primera with Altante, but was not a first team regular at the club. He did appear in the 2008–09 CONCACAF Champions League for Atlante, but I don't think it's fair to say many Mexican clubs took the competition seriously (at least until after the group stage) as they typically fielded fringe or youth players in the earlier stages. Jogurney (talk) 16:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah - I'd incorrectly assumed Leon was in the top division - still 10 appearances for Atlante in Liga MX, plus the 4 Champions League group-stage appearances. Yeah, they often didn't field the entire A-team for those old group-stage matches. Nfitz (talk) 00:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Article about former professional footballer who played in Mexico's top division, and appears to be the subject of SIGCOV. I've added a few references to the article (primarily from El Sol de León and El Imparcial de Oaxaca) which I think get the article past WP:GNG. There are several more online non-trivial sources as well, which can be added when someone has time. Jogurney (talk) 16:16, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the coverage was always likely there given his career. Thankfully, Jogurney has now proved that it's a GNG pass. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:12, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Professional footballer with a number of appearances where again WP:BEFORE hasn't been done by the nominator, thankfully, Jogurney has now proven WP:GNG and there will be more sources out there.— NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 06:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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