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The result was Redirect to 2005 civil unrest in France. —Quarl ^(talk) 2007-03-05 10:40Z

Ramadan riots[edit]

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This article is POV propoganda nonsense that talks about the same riots as what is correctly called the French_riots which already has an entry in wikipedia. This article tries to make riots something to do with Islamic theology and the false claim that the cause of the riots is because the Quran commands hatred of jews and non-Muslims, coveniently missing the fact that all the credible well known newspaper sources he abuses in the article actually do not mention ramadhan as a motivation or the Quran, but talk of alienation, discrimination, and abuse of youth who are descendents of Arab and African immigrants See French Riots. The sources are either not reliable, or they do not draw the same conclusions as this artice Aaliyah Stevens 00:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Part OR, part POV- fork. There is also a problem with RS. Merge anything useful into 2005 civil unrest in France and New antisemitism. Debate about redirect needed. —Viriditas | Talk 00:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete This is a misleading POV fork of French_riots and these kinds of political bigoted articles have no encyclopedic value.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 01:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete: Strong bias in the article that cannot possibly be cleaned up with an opposing side. Anything that is useful could be merged into other articles. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 01:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, POV fork. ITAQALLAH 01:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Badly written and horrendously POV. If anything can be salvaged, merge it with French riots. --Hojimachong^talk 01:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Daniel5127 | Talk 01:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge - possible pov fork; duplicates existing 2005 civil unrest in France. Tom Harrison ^Talk 02:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - This messy article appears to be a duplicate of some of the information contained in French Riots, I'd suggest merging whatever may be useful into that article and deleting this one. Dreadlocke ☥ 02:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - If I understand the GFDL correctly, we can't merge then delete. If we merge, we need to redirect. Tom Harrison ^Talk 02:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per User:Itaqallah and User:Tom harrison. (→Netscott) 02:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletions. -- (→Netscott) 02:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I haven't gone through the refs exhaustively but the criticisms above seem accurate: many seem inappropriate or not supportive of the points. I can't see possible clean-up from pervasive POV pushing and tone. As said 2005 civil unrest in France seems to cover it. Pig^man_{Talk to me} 02:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as hopeless POV fork; move any worthy content per Viriditas. However, I ask the nominator to refrain from this type of cross-posting in the future.[1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10].Proabivouac 02:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with French Riots. Some of the material is salvagable and good, but it is the same thing.--Sefringle 03:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete poorly done WP:POVFORK.03:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per above.Bless sins 04:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, hilariously bad POV fork. Example in the first paragraph claims the rioters "themselves" use the term Ramadan intifada; the link is to DEBKA, which uses the term but cites no source, and makes it clear that even the word "intifada" is their interpretation: There are plenty of indications that the riots are not simply spontaneous outbursts of frustration by disadvantaged youths of North and black African descent, but centrally organized mayhem, an “intifada” activated by Muslim networking. It doesn't get any better worse than that.--Dhartung | Talk 04:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Too POV and very badly written.Nkv 04:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete as a blatant POV fork of French riots. Some of the sections discuss information (possibly untrue and definitely POV) that is not even related to the riots. -- Black Falcon 05:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, POV fork, original research, nonsense, poor writing generally. Terence Ong 恭喜发财 08:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, POV article, should be deleted. --- ALM 09:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to French Riots. —Ocatecir ^Talk 10:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge or Delete. A few typos and badly written phrases but can be cleaned up. Merge with French riots. If not, delete per nom. §†SupaSoldier†§ 16:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete pov fork. Peace. --Nielswik_(talk) 16:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Too Islamophobic, and something like this belongs to Wikinews, NOT Wikipedia. - Omar 180 18:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Merge. Some of the material can be salvaged but it's duplicative. Dino 20:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge it's sourced. Arrow740 21:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge There is a lot of useful referenced information. -- Karl Meier 21:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Delete This is obviously a misleading POV fork of French Riots. Most of the information that is is not duplicated in French Riots is unsuitable for an encyclopedia or irrelivant tengents.--67.175.242.13 10:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• delete - pure POV from start to finish. Paul B 10:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• delete -Aminz 11:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete POV fork; might be difficult to separate out any good material for a merge. -- MightyWarrior 14:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom.cs 17:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge anything useful. Beit Or 21:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Per statements above. Captain panda In vino veritas 03:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete pov fork and merge anything useful into 2005 civil unrest in France. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 00:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge Merge with main article. There has been more than enough public discussion of the french riots visavi Islam by well-known authors, writers and columnists to justify a Wiki reference. The article itself is sourced from start to finish using mainstream news reports, experts, opinion polls and research, I therefore see no basis for claiming "unsourced". The burden of proof therefore lies on those making that claim. By the same token, claims of non-NPOV will have to be backed up by legitimate arguments. Any less-than-stellar prose can always be cleaned up, that seems like a minor issue to me. I can't see how that would be grounds for deletion.TimothyHavelock 07:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.