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The result was delete. ÷seresin 06:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Phi Pi Epsilon[edit]

Article claims this to be "the oldest local fraternity" (uncertain what "local" means in this context). However this assertion is unsourced. It is rather questionable if such a minor fraternity is sufficiently notable Passportguy (talk) 14:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 15:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep. Insofar as The Stentor is a reliable source, there's a good amount of material for this article, and support for the claim that Phi Pi Epsilon "is the oldest local fraternity in the nation, being in existence for 111 years." [1]. I'm not 100% clear on what that means, but I'm assuming it means the oldest fraternity without nationwide chapters. This seems significant. A Google News search reveals that there's also a smattering of material in mainstream newspapers, particularly the Chicago Tribune, which provides more basis for the claim of notability. There are 359 Google Books hits as well. Most of them seem trivial, but I believe there is some decent material in them. Cool3 (talk) 04:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 04:53, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete; as far as I am concerned all fraternities, sororities, and similar clubs are by default non-notable. Stifle (talk) 08:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"all fraternities, sororities, and similar clubs are by default non-notable" Really? Why? Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 23:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I would agree that all local fraternities and clubs confined to one college are generally non-notable, with very rare exceptions that need really good sourcing, including non-student newspaper sources. (since most student newspapers are indiscriminate, and tend to include everything that happens on campus). I interpret the phrase about survival, as meaning: When they closed, they had been in existence longer than any other single-college fraternity in the US at that time . It's possible, but i do not trust the documentation, and would at most only be true in a very narrow sense, since student dining clubs at some of the older universities go back much before 1895. DGG (talk) 14:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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