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The result was hoax. DS 22:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Percy Nobby Norton[edit]

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This article, I freely admit, is a work of genius. It's funny and creative. Unfortunately, while Percy Nobby Norton does indeed appear to have been an Australian folk singer, he is entirely unnotable, and everything else here is made up. Among many other reasons to believe this are his alleged 1902 publication of "Calvin and Knobes", and the 1923 publication of "Desperate Househusbands". Good joke, but it's gone far enough. DJ Clayworth 14:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I disagree, this article seems fair enough. Perhaps at least it could be moved to the bad jokes section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.178.131.33 (talk • contribs)

• Author asserts on their talk page that I can provide more evidence from books, such as poems and songs and mini-biographies, but I do need time and you need to understand that most of the information has been derived by information from interviews with people who knew him.. So Userfy to a subpage in the author's userspace while they work on it - let's see it blossom into a fully-referenced and WP:V article having given the author the time he wants. Tonywalton  | Talk 15:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete "Perhaps at least it could be moved to the bad jokes section?" If the author is even thinking about the bad jokes section, it obviously isn't a real article. --Porqin 15:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Too long and forced for BJAODN. The picture is probably a copyvio... looks like Dominic Keating to me. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not a particularly good joke. No need to userfy. Dlyons493 Talk 16:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete with violence This is a hoax, nothing more, and damages Wikipedia's reputation every minute it remains. --DarkAudit 17:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Delete. Total farce and even contains some fairly crude material. ju66l3r 18:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as WP:HOAX, no WP:BJAODN since that would be WP:BEANS. --Kinu ^t/_c 21:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete, I hate hoaxes, even Australian ones. NawlinWiki 01:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete, I hate bad jokes, especially Australian ones.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.135.238 (talk • contribs)
• Strong not delete, Look lets not start getting racist, Percy Norton is a man of kind and understanding, you cannot just start saying that it is wrong and a joke just because it dosn't fit into your fixed ultra-right wing view.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpazolli (talk • contribs) (only edits are to the article and here; this user uploaded the photo for the article)
• Strong not delete, Sorry to interfere yet I am a postgraduate student at Monash University in Australia and currently studying Australian and New Zealand Folklore. Last month I completed a reasearch assignment on two ballads called "The Fossicker's Song" and "The Raspberry Picker's Song". As a frequent user of WIKIPEDIA's excellent encyclopedia, I stumbled upon Percy Norton. This article provided me with so much laughs that I had to print it and show it to my Lecturer today! After reading that it would be deleted from WIKIPEDIA I felt quite shocked yet understanding. Perhaps if some explicit passages were ommited and proper facts added, then it would be very amusing yet informative article on a little-known Australian poet. Please keep this article online, I beg you! - AGC Hubert— Preceding unsigned comment added by Doriath (talk • contribs) (only edits are to the article and this AFD)
• Strong not delete, If something is to be considered for deletion, the information provided must be proven wrong. As it stands, neither those who have written the article or those wishing for the article to be deleted have provided evidence. The author has also suggested he will be adding references and citations, as seen in the first paragraph. I therefore suggest caution is the order of the day, and that this article should remain untoucher. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HRH MJW (talk • contribs)

• Strong not delete, I have spoken to who I like to call old Nobby and he was so pleased to see that his 'conquests'(obviously talking about his time in the army) had been passed onto a new generation. He decided to start his own blog at nobbynorton.blogspot.com

God Save the Queen! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.178.7.132 (talk • contribs) (this is user's only edit)

This 'blog' was started only after this AFD was started, and looks suspiciously similar to that 'started' by the fictitious author Trevor K Grant the day after there was an AFD on his article. In fact the whole AFD discussion seems strangely familiar. Plus the prose style seems very lively for someone who was already publishing articles in 1902... DJ Clayworth 14:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Clayworth seems to have a need to state what I said in my comment. I never made any attempt indeed I stated that the Blog was created after the AFD.--Bpazolli 09:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong not delete, Hello all, as a fellow australian writer I was pleased to see such an informative peice on my favorite writer and a personal inspiration for me. Some say that this article was a bit crude but thats how Nobby Norton's life was. - aDavis(Arthur Hoey Davis)— Preceding unsigned comment added by ADavis (talk • contribs) (user's only edit)

• Delete, ARE YOU CRAZY??? As a Professor I have searched far and wide in this great country of ours, for information on this legend of a writer Percy Nobby Norton. The only disgrace is someone has vandelised this site with bold text, and the boxes at the top are really upsetting, iConner--Professor Ian O'Conner at Griffen University — Preceding unsigned comment added by IConner (talk • contribs) (user's only edit)
• Don't Delete I thought I add a bit of evidence of the creditbility of this article I present The Raspberry Pickers Song

I Came up from Wandin And a girl come up to me Here comes a raspberry picker now won't we have a spree she grabbed me by the collar and she tried to grab my swag so I upped with a stick and knocked here stiff and they all cried out he's a lad Oh give me the wandin life where the raspberry pickers do rome for we are the Carlton Larrikens lad That is what I can remember. I understand that the burden of proof is on me the author not the people wishing for deletion but most of the information was gathered via interviews. WHAT CAN I DO???--Bpazolli 13:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Don't Delete The author(s) of this piece need to be given a reasonable amount of time to clean up and provide evidence concerning the allegations made here, many of which seem somewhat artificial. Nevertheless, they may turn out to be true, only time will tell. Perhaps, like the UN Security Council, the author(s) are given one month to tidy this mess up

John Silverthorne 13:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC) (user's only edit)[reply]

• No delete, As in the family of the B.Elvira, I having good reason to believe that at bit of this information is factel. My Aunt has made many lectures of Nobby, and has told to me how he liked the boys and girls, you know? So some of article is perhaps true? Excuse my bad english.

C.Y.Elvira 13:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC) (user's only edit)[reply]

• • Note C.Y. Elvira also edited this AFD to delete my vote, above, and to delete all the identifications of single-purpose votes. I have since restored them.NawlinWiki 14:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • CommentBy single-purpose votes you presumably mean single-user edits? Are you suggesting that these people do not exist, or have been artificially created? If so, I demand you withdraw this comment immediately. It is both insulting and rude to make such an allegation. I apologise on your behalf to the user C.Y.Elvira--Old Smokey 13:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The article is an obvious hoax. I'd guess the image may be copyvio from an advert somewhere. -Sanbeg 21:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The user above is a smart yet misled man, he is correct in saying that the picture was from an advert, but that advert was first published in 1908 staring Old Nobby he signed over permisson for me to use in this article.--Bpazolli 09:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From 1908? Featuring a modern safety razor? DJ Clayworth 13:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Simpler than that; the beard is photoshopped/MS Painted on. Also, if there is consent involved then the picture's copyright information is incorrect as it is listed as "public domain". ju66l3r 17:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• CommentHow about everyone just calms down a little bit. There is no need for constant argument on this forum - just relax, and try not to become too agitated. Let's debate this in a sensible and civilised manner (note that civilised is here spelt properly with an 's', rather than a 'z' (correctly pronounced zed).--Old Smokey 13:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Obvious hoax. --Durin 16:19, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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