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The result was speedy close. Please relist seperately for individual consideration where necessary. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paul J. Alessi[edit]

Reality tv cruft - not notable!

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons. Some didn't even win the programmes:

MacRusgail 19:26, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, or merge into a page of contestants for each season.--Limegreen 19:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the Marianos, Keep Alison Irwin, Keep Kandice Pelletier, Keep Tyler MacNiven. No Comment on Ron Young. Delete the rest. I have tried to pursuade MacRusgail that a group nom is not the way to go here, per previous train wrecks, but did not succeed.
- Marianos - the "ultimate" reality-television couple. The fact that they have compete (and so successfully) on so many CBD shows and were invited to appear on the All-Star versions of both Survivor and the Amazing Race brings them, for me, above the general lack of notability of Reality TV contestants.
- Alison Irwin - as with the Marianos she has been involved in a number of different reality television show and gained notoriety as such.
- Kandice - keep because her competing in the Amazing Race is peripheral to her notability as Miss America state titleholders and Miss America national competitors .
- Tyler MacNiven - notabile for a number of other different things - see article.
- As for the rest - well I've tried to get rid of them myself (See here, but I'm not going into that now). -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 20:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete - notable for being on reality tv? Sorry, these people are non-entities who disappear after two/three years, unless they appear on another show. Then they get four/five years of fame. Your fifteen minutes are up! --ImpartialCelt 20:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

speedy deletion in no way applies to this nomination. Otto4711 20:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment - Ummm, many of them have appeared on another show.... --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 20:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Relist as individuals or Keep. Some of these may indeed be cruft, but some of these are not. I haven't looked at each article, but some of these people are notable for more than just being on one TV show. Some of these people have appeared in multiples of Survivor/Big Brother/Amazing Race, plus all-star editions. Kandice Pelletier has also appeared at Miss America after winning her state competition. --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 20:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep all as too mixed of a bag of nominations to reasonably consider as a unit. Some of these are TAR winners, which IMHO confers notability in itself. Some are notable for achievements outside of TAR and need to be considered in light of those achievements. And frankly, anyone who thinks that Rob and Amber are not notable has no conception of the reality television genre. Finally, if no better reason for deletion than "reality tv cruft" can be offered then there is no justification for the nomination. Delete !votes are coming off very much as WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Otto4711 20:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close all This is absurd. The Marianos each have appeared in five editions of three different series, one of which was completely about them. Tyler MacNiven is arguably notable completely outside of his participation, which, it should be noted, was a victory, in The Amazing Race. To compare these individuals to the average reality TV participant is absurd. Even Ron and Sarah, partners on the show they participated in, deserve separate AfDs because of Ron's possible notability from his time in Iraq. I'll say it again: This is absurd. --Maxamegalon2000 20:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Relist as individuals, other keep all. While some are strong keeps (for instance, Rob and Amber Mariano), others might well qualify as deletable. Unfortunately, as Maxamegalon2000 and others, voting for this many in this fashion will only cause confusion. Tabercil 23:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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