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The result was keep. Bduke (talk) 07:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Otis Moss III[edit]

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Reverend Wright is notable, Barak Obama is notable, is the pastor hired after the last guy quit notable? Only mentions I can find of him are in conjunction with Wright and Obama...notability is not conferred by relationships. Perhaps a merge into the article about the Church until more is written about Pastor Otis outside of the Presidential race? LegoTech·(t)·(c) 04:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into article about church. No independent notability as yet. May be in the future, but not yet.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 04:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the subject hasn't received substantial independent, and seems to fall into Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable only for one event guideline. Mentions such as this in the Wall Street Journal, and this in the Washington Post only mention him tangentially as part of Obama's relationship with the church, and do go beyond trivial coverage. -Optigan13 (talk) 05:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect to Trinity United Church of Christ. It's a reasonably important church in the UCC and in Chicago contexts, but not of the stature that merely leading it confers notability. Wright didn't even have a national profile prior to a few months ago. --Dhartung | Talk 07:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. He is the new lead pastor of one of the most talked about churches in America, which has played and will continue to play a huge role in the 2008 election. There are over 5000 google blogsearch results for Otis Moss. 224 Google news stories. 85,000 Google web search hits. This is an obvious, overwhelming keep. Trilemma (talk) 13:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per Optigan12 and Dhartung. Gamaliel (talk) 21:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The church in this case is sufficiently notable that he is an important religious figure. DGG (talk) 01:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge per Dhartung. Blaxthos ( t / c ) 03:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge - Otis himself is not notable enough to have his own article as of yet, perhaps in the future, but not yet. Therefore it should be merged into Trinity United Church of Christ. --Chetblong (talk) 03:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. —Bhaktivinode (talk) 17:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. —Bhaktivinode (talk) 17:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge per Chetblong. Bhaktivinode (talk) 17:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Rewrite and Keep There are plenty of reliable sources that on him that mention neither Obama nor Wright. See this News Archive search that excludes their names. Here are some of the good reliable and independent sources that I found: 2000 (second half), 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006 2006. Others are behind pay/registration walls, including some back to 1992. A sound bio would show both that he has been a pastor for a while and that he has been politically active for as long, with influences or affiliations with Malcolm X, Al Sharpton, and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. I'm not sure if his authorship merits much mention; at least one of the books is a sermon collection and for some reason I've never stumbled across much coverage here of such, despite the fact that they were a major genre a couple centuries ago. GRBerry 19:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per GRBerry. Subject seems to rather easily meet notability requirements, although the article could clearly use a lot of work. John Carter (talk) 20:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge - not enough material for his own article (as of now). Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 16:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep GRBerry has made a strong case for keeping, he meets the notability guidelines imo. RMHED (talk) 19:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: Rewritten. GRBerry 21:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per rewrite. –thedemonhog talk • edits 22:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Keep as written now. Plenty of references prior to Wright/Obama are included in the article; I didn't even have to look beyond those citations to see he is notably covered in respected media.  Frank  |  talk  00:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as rewritten. Much content was added, addressing the arguments about insufficient content, and the content is extensively referenced. I also note that with the AfD open well over 5 days, an immediate keep because of the rewrites would not be out of line. AubreyEllenShomo (talk) 01:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as rewritten. Bhaktivinode (talk) 04:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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