The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The requested merge is a bit complicated and should be done by someone familiar with the two articles. Chick Bowen 22:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oakhill Brewery[edit]

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The brewery is closed. It achieved nothing distinctive when it was open. While we do have closed breweries on the site, and open local breweries of little distinction, the combination of closed and local needs to be tested. Even though I am putting this forward for discussion, I am not putting forward an argument at this stage for the brewery to be either kept or deleted. I am looking for the views and opinions of others. SilkTork 19:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, regretfully. I hate to do this one out of a bias toward microbreweries, but the problems not only fall within WP:LOCAL, it seems that there's no attempt to tout notability on the brewery or provide much for reliable sources. I would hope, though, to get my hands on some of the recipies from their files. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 19:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Delete Makes no clear claim of notability beyond its own existence. Is there a reason this isn't being speedy deleted already? --Ssbohio 19:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete per CSD A7 and SSbohio. --Dhartung | Talk 20:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and merge in material from Oakhill, which contains the longer history of the brewery prior to its 1984 to 2004 reincarnation. Tearlach 00:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and merge in the information about the history from Oakhill per Tearlach, adding a "see also" in the main article (which could do with a bit of a rewrite anyway). If kept, I'll do it and expand both articles a bit; quite a few extra sources by the looks of it.EliminatorJR ^Talk 23:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Google Books produces some intriguing snippets, such as this about it specialising in stout, and the output being 2000-2500 barrels a week in its heyday. Important brewery. Tearlach 00:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Since there seem to be sources.DGG 04:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Do any sources prove it's notability, or simply that it existed and produced beer? That the brewery once existed is not in doubt, the discussion is about whether a defunct local brewery can be considered notable enough for it to have an article to itself in an encyclopedia, rather than as a mention in an article on the local area. SilkTork 07:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Noting that those notability criteria for brweries are in an essay, not any official guideline) it appears in a number of books [1], a couple describing it as "famous" (the output makes it more than local). Having its own narrow-gauge railway looks quite unusual. BTW, are you the SilkTork who wrote the description at ratebeer.com? If you have sources for what was said there - "The original Oakhill Brewery was formed in 1767 and became a huge success, building its own railway line to deliver beers throughout Wales and the West Country - that looks pretty good claim to notability. CAMRA Bristol described its Invalid Stout as "nationally famous". Tearlach 12:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I did write that about Oakhill in 2003. I'll take a look for the sources of my information.

The article has changed slightly. It is now about the older Oakhill brewery rather than the new Oakhill Brewery. The article I put up for discussion was the one about the company which operated from 1984 to 2004. It has been adjusted to be about the one which operated from 1767 to 1938 - a different brewery, a different article, a different debate. The article had originally been called New Oakhill Brewery [2], and I was interested to hear people's views on the notability of a local brewery which had only been open for 20 years, and had closed 3 years ago (and which is about to become a housing estate [3]. The ground has changed so that the discussion may no longer bring forward views that could be used in future debates about small breweries (as we are now talking about a substantial brewery with a number of references - noted for its 'Invalid Stout' - a top selling brand during the 19th century), so I don't think this discussion is worth continuing. Keep and push for an early close. SilkTork 19:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and merge in the information about the history from Oakhill per Tearlach above. Kev ^(talk) 11:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.