The result was delete. Despite the overabundance of keep !votes, I've had to carefully read this AfD several times and review each editor. Many editors have arrived here due to a "Call for help". Reading the keeps, it appears many use the WP:ILIKEIT, WP:GHITS, or WP:CRYSTALBALL type rationale. The sources provided by the keeps contain blogs, forums, primary sources, or minor self-published Amiga "news" sites. The delete rationale has been supported by policy. The article fails WP:GNG. Specifically, there are no reliable sources that are independant of the subject. I would like to remind editors not to try to WP:CANVASS support from off-wiki and to support their rationale with policy. v/r - TP 23:13, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The article does not meet WP:N. It has two references to Natami's vendor, which cannot evidence notability as they are not independent of the subject and its creator. The further reading section has a link to a personal website, which is does not meet WP:RS. Google Web returns 373 results for "Natami" AND Amiga -wiki -wikipedia -blog -forum; and limiting the results to English, there are 299. Most of the results appear to be irrelevant (they are Wikipedia mirrors or about something else) and the relevant results do not meet WP:RS. Rilak (talk) 08:25, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"What has the amount of effort got to do with anything?" The amount of effort is being discussed here because you attempted to downplay the amount of development time which has apparently gone into this particular project.
"Are you are arguing that just because someone has spent lots of effort and time doing something, then that person, their activity, or thing should be rewarded with a mention in Wikipedia?" Oh you should know better than to try to put words in my mouth in an attempt to discredit me... The amount of interest people outside of Wikipedia seem to have in this project is important. It shows that this project is important to the larger Amiga community and is worth covering in a halfway decent fashion here on Wikipedia. I suspect we will eventually begin to see coverage given to this project in computer books (the publication process is very slow) such as what happened with a particular Commodore 64 reimplementation. On a related note, can you name another computer platform as old as the Amiga which still has the large userbase that the Amiga has? --Tothwolf (talk) 07:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As for your view of "It is trivial for an electronics or a computer engineer to design a clone of a 1980s home computer." ...you still keep dodging and refusing provide a source for your statement. This leads to the natural conclusion that you simply made it up.
Egads mate, put on some clothes! --Tothwolf (talk) 10:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The issue here isn't that we don't have any reliable sources for the purposes of verifiability. The sole issue seems to be that NatAmi has not yet been covered in Amiga-related books which are indexed by Google Books (which tends to lead to FUTON bias). That said, given the Amiga community's interest in NatAmi, it certainly deserves some form of decent coverage here on Wikipedia, be it a standalone article or merged as part of Amiga#Amiga hardware clones (or elsewhere).
The main question which comes to mind for me at least (and should be the question others ask as well), is how would the deletion of verifiable information which is integral to our coverage of Amiga help improve Wikipedia? In this specific case, I would be tempted to cite our ignore all rules policy in response to the notability guideline argument because it is apparent that NatAmi is important to the coverage of Amiga and will eventually be covered in published works. --Tothwolf (talk) 02:44, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
About those who consider Natami an hobby project. Yes! it is an hobby project, just as like Altair 8800 and Apple I. I added in the articles references to modern homebrew computing systems and inscribing Natami in the modern phenomenon of homebrew computing: See also Minimig that was born from an hobby project and then hit the market thanks to italian hardware developer ACube who produces also Sam440ep PowerPC motherboad on which runs AmigaOS (Minimig link at Acube). See also C-One, created as homebrew by Jeri Ellsworth which then also hit the market. See also Arduino multipurpose microcontroller, see also Pandora Open Source gamebox console. these all (included Natami) are a demonstration that the phenomenon of hobby computing is still alive and vital, and deserve an attention by Wikipedia as it is very interesting topic and capable of further growth of relevance and interest...
Because remember: Don't underestimate modern hobby projects computing. It is hobby projects computing that historically created the market of microcomputers and then lead the series of phenomena in computer market in the '80 (new processors, new architectures, new hardware and software houses, etc., etc., etc.,) that started the rampage in home computing. Computers spreaded first amongst amateurs thanks to hobby projects, and then computers was made available to anyone on this planet. It is also thanks to hobby projects and homebrew computers that was realized the techonological and social revolution that bring nowadays the presence of computers in almost any home in the nations of first and second world. Sincerely, --Raffaele Megabyte (talk) 18:18, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Rilak (talk) 04:31, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]"Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by those affiliated with the subject or its creator.
"So then in your words are to exclude a very great number of testimonies of the past, just because these infos (and other news that were difficult to find elsewhere) could be find only on computer magazines of the '80 that were sponsored by Atari or Apple or Commodore???"
As such, I think Amiga Future should be accepted as a potentially reliable source, and its coverage of Natami is certainly significant. That said, I continue to fall on the side of deletion. In lieu of additional coverage from a pub like the frequently mentioned Micro Mart, I don't see evidence of coverage in multiple reliable sources. Given that Amiga Future is not a slam dunk reliable source -- and I think one could argue that it is so limited in scope as to be similar to local coverage of a local government official, or similar -- I'd really like to see additional sourcing to be convinced that this article clears WP:GNG. Perhaps my "delete" vote could be qualified as "weak," in this case, but it remains delete, despite my not being convinced that Amiga Future is a non-independent source. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡbomb 15:18, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]