The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No Concensus Some of the Keep arguments are weak and if the article is not cleaned up with reliable sources added then this will probably be revisited and deleted. Davewild (talk) 19:11, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Music of Ren and Stimpy[edit]

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No sources or indication why this is important in or outside of the show. Mr.Z-man 01:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Clean up - This is a tough one. It's too large to merge into the Ren and Stimpy main article, and the three albums at the end are definite keepers per WP:MUSIC#Albums - maybe even enough to have separate articles. I think the "Music written for the show" section is sufficiently notable, but I don't know about the other two sections. Probably not. Torc2 01:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unless - if reliable sources can be found for the section on music written for the show, then get rid of everything in the article except that section and properly source it (or merge it to the main show article). There is no reason at all to have redundant sections on the soundtrack albums when they all have their own articles already. All of the material on non-original songs and song cues used in the show is not encyclopedic per any number of precedents. Songs in general do not become notable simply for having been used in a TV show and lists of such songs have been deleted for multiple other shows. Otto4711 03:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Partly per MUSIC. Needs some cleanup, obviously, but definite keep. Also, to point out the shows' articles are too long already, so this needs its own article. - Rjd0060 04:40, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Specifically what secion of WP:MUSIC do you believe allows for this article as it currently exists? Otto4711 04:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not specifically allowed or forbidden, but since the list includes songwriters, it's somewhat analogous to number 10 in Criteria for musicians and ensembles: "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc." and as a whole is comparable to Albums: "If the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia." (I'm referring to the first and last section of the article only). Torc2 06:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and Cleanup - take a look at the article and note the section which is most unwieldy, large and pointless. It's the "production music" list. Take it out and the only large-ish section becomes the "classical music" section. the next largest (and one which other editors have said is important) is the "music written for the show" section, which is not actually all that long. If you take away the "production music" list and reduce that section to two paragraphs, the article isn't that long and all that needs done is a little bit of tidying up around the "classical" and "written for" sections. voila, you got yourself a decent article.
• Keep: Too large to be integrated into the show's main article, and relevant enough to keep. A number of people point out the creative use of classical (stock) music of the show (http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/11/confessions_of_a_classical_sad.html), so there is some justification for the article's existence. Seriously, there are 25 articles listing all imaginable Pokemons; why not keep one article about a relevant aspect of a pretty influential show. -- 145.116.9.223 (talk) 22:05, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note the word blogs in the address of your source. Blogs are not reliable sources. Even if they were, the blog post would not serve as justification for a list of every single snippet of music ever used in an episode. as for the Pokemon articles, well, WP:POKEMON. Pokemon articles are required to meet the same standards as any other article, and pointing at them (or any other article) and saying what about that doesn't serve to prove that this article meets those standards. Otto4711 (talk) 22:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Music is a big part of the show, and deserves to be its own separate article. If the production music section is a big problem, we could always greatly shrink that section so that it only consists of general info on production music, and then link to my web page where I've copied all the info. If someone happens to find the names of more APM tracks, they could let everyone know in the Discussion section and I'd add them to my web site. Sb2007 (talk) 05:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please see Wikipedia's rules on self-published sources. Mr.Z-man 06:09, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.