- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Dance Dance Revolution. as an ATD. If you can find another place online that would house the content of this article, the content is still there in the page history. But the consensus is that this article is not suitable for Wikipedia today. Liz Read! Talk! 03:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Music of Dance Dance Revolution (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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Complete list of unsourced trivia; no notability to warrant keeping. Loyalmoonie (talk) 19:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music, Video games, and Lists. Skynxnex (talk) 19:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This is not a "Music of DDR" article, it's more of a "List of DDR songs". However, it violates WP:NOTDATABASE without context for why it exists. It could be transwiki'd if it hasn't been already. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Zxcvbnm Transwiki'd where? Fandom? Mach61 19:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The full list of DDR songs, though not exactly in the format given here, exists in more or less complete form at DDRFreak and remywiki. There is a DanceDanceRevolution fandom wiki, but it's not particularly up to date or complete. Reconrabbit 19:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Possible bundle with Music of Dance Dance Revolution Extreme, Music of Dance Dance Revolution SuperNova, Music of Dance Dance Revolution X, and Music of Dance Dance Revolution (2013-present)? Jumpytoo Talk 03:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sounds reasonable to bundle them all in this same nomination should the article be deleted. They all fall under Zxcvbnm's rationale that they all violate WP:NOTDATABASE, and either do not have enough sources and/or have no sources at all to justify their notability.
- Loyalmoonie (talk) 16:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment – A significant portion of this content (including artists) should be merged with existing pages. If this article does get deleted, then a "Music" section should be created in the Dance Dance Revolution article, and it should incorporate some of this content. --LABcrabs (talk) 00:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment/Neutral - I feel Wikipedia should have some complete/official record/list of DDR songs, because it just seems right, and in 2024, it won't seem right if there isn't one. Majority of the content on this article, especially the initial contributions are from me. However at the time, the article was titled "List of Dance Dance Revolution songs", which I felt made more sense, as it was a list article, which are very common on Wikipedia. One issue was that sources weren't being added to the article, but I guess maybe some loophole on original research was being allowed? I don't know what rules or procedures were going on, which allowed not only me, but other DDR fanatics/hobbyists to add thousands of footnotes/songs, but I guess a simple Google search, or knowing how big the DDR arcade fandom is (and also home console versions), everyone knows that Butterfly, B4U, and Max 300 are DDR songs even though sources weren't technically added by approved sources, so it's confusing. It wasn't until a name change of the article to "Music of Dance Dance Revolution" which happened a few years ago, to where I feel the article got out of hand, and I feel the article became a bit confusing, and it was no longer a list/record article (which are common) and it was more of, well, something else, I can't really find the words to explain, but I hope I'm being understood. I suggested that the article be deleted, but it was more wordplay, and pulling on heartstrings, and I guess I was being sarcastic/cynical, because I actually don't want this article to be deleted. However, if rules are rules, technically according to wiki rules, this article doesn't have a single source, but it doesn't necessarily mean the content is incorrect (actually it isn't, everything added to this article is correct), it's just for some reason Konami doesn't have any official websites listing the songs, except for fan sites like DDRfreak, and other video game blogs. So it's tough. I may add more to say later, but this is all I have to say for now. ☼Phrasia☼ (talk) 03:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Article has been on Wikipedia (at least to my knowledge since 2009) a very long time, and I felt originally torn because it was unsourced, but again I feel although deleting seems to be the right approach, I personally after thinking about it, disagree, and I want the article to stay, with possibly more DDR fans would understand where I'm coming from with this. Please. Oh dear. ☼Phrasia☼ (talk) 10:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That falls under WP:PLEASEDONT (or maybe WP:ARTICLEAGE). The fact is that regardless of how useful it is to fans of the series, it's explicitly something Wikipedia bans, namely directories or listings of indiscriminate info. It is preserved on FANDOM, so the info is not being permanently lost. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Not to mention, the above comments of, "I want the article to stay" and "Article has been on Wikipedia (at least to my knowledge since 2009) a very long time", seem to suggest ownership issues. Loyalmoonie (talk) 21:54, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- On the same subject, however, this article has been on Wikipedia for a long time, and I am surprised that in all that time, no effort was made to properly source this, or the other articles Jumpytoo mentioned that should be bundled with this AfD. They should have been deleted/merged a long time ago rather than be allowed to stand with these issues for long periods of time.--Loyalmoonie (talk) 22:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That's fair. Again I thought about it. I know rules are rules, and at the end of the day, my say is that it should be kept, but I agree and will understand whatever the final outcome is. ☼Phrasia☼ (talk) 10:58, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Dance Dance Revolution#Music - I'll explain more in detail later, but I believe that at least some of the DDR soundtrack (mainly Extreme and SuperNova 2) is notable. Several other songs are also notable, too. --LABcrabs (talk) 00:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 01:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My stance of
Delete, per my reasons for nomination and latter comments, still stand. If this article (and several other articles cited by Jumpytoo that ought to be bundled with this AfD) could stand for many years and still keep having all these issues that no editor has ever resolved properly, then I honestly am surprised this article hadn't met the criteria for speedy deletion...
- Loyalmoonie (talk) 16:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC) (striking this duplicate vote, your nomination statement is your Delete vote. Liz Read! Talk! 23:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Given some of the "non-vote" comments made in this discussion, I see opinions that this page content should be merged elsewhere or, at a minimum, that this article page title should become a redirect to a target article. This isn't a "supervote", I just want to take into consideration all editors' voices. I'm relisting this discussion to hear feedback and suggestions from participants. Of course, as a relisted discussion, it can be closed at any time by another closer who sees a consensus here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Being that this Afd still isn't concluded, I still feel torn, as funnily enough, I was the one who suggested the Afd in the first place, but then I began to regret that, and I feel the article should stay. Although, I'll respect the final decision, either or. However, I feel I'll add that another conclusion I'll be happy with if the article was redirected to "List of Dance Dance Revolution Franchise songs" or "List of Dance Dance Revolution Series songs" as the article is supposed to be a gateway/archive, as there have been hundreds of DDR editions/releases, so if the article is allowed to stay in some form, I'd be happy with that. As far as sources being added, I was hoping a consensus on that could also be made, although video game fan sites don't seem to be allowed sources, but I don't know. But again, I'll respect whatever the final outcome of the consensus is. ☼Phrasia☼ (talk) 09:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I think the original nomination and then Zxcvbnm summed it well. An unsourced database of songs that appear in the series of games is more suitable for its own Wikia then here. Wikipedia is not a WP:DIRECTORY and WP:GNG is not satisfied as I haven't been able to find anything beyond more listings in other sites. Phrasia's keep argument has been countered already and redirecting it to the main article LABcrabs accomplishes nothing because this is a broader concept that currently isn't in that article. Merging this, of course, makes even less sense given it's 1) unsourced/poorly sourced and 2) WP:SIZE issues. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Dance Dance Revolution. I did a source check and did find WP:SIGCOV discussing the music generally:
- However, I also agree with Zxcvbnm in that this is more of a list of DDR songs article and that violates WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:NOTCHANGELOG. And I don't think a re-write without the list would be long enough such that it would need to be WP:SPLIT. Jumpytoo Talk 03:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment, If I may interject, "Wikipedia is not a database or a log", that usually applies to software, hardware, patch notes, log files etc., technology related topics etc. This, (and I think is where the misconception is) is a discography/music/soundtrack, pop culture list/archive/records article etc. (originally titled "List of DDR songs", which was made as there are hundreds of DDR arcade/amusement/event and home fusion releases etc., and it was much more simpler that way to create a paramount article of all the songs etc.), and I feel the rules are slightly different. The problem is, the article was renamed to "Music of DDR" (which I had nothing to do with), so maybe there is some confusion, as this is a list article, (or was intended to be), and again I'm sorry, I feel I understand sources should be added (whether Youtube videos, Dancemania/Universal EMI album releases, strategy guides, game manuals etc.) which say what the songs are, as opposed to Konami which for some reason no longer keeps tabs of the music/songs in the franchise on their website anymore. So again I feel the article should be redirected to "List of Dance Dance Revolution songs", being tagged as a music/pop culture/discography/soundtrack "list article", which are allowed. I'll also add I can understand if people disagree with me, but another suggestion, is making list simpler to understand, highlighting and noting songs which are on what editions by section/page breaks, and whether they are still in the franchise or not. etc. So I just wanted to defend the fact on whether the article is allowed on wiki (which I feel it would be under a "list" article, and whether size/aesthetics would be a concern (which I gave suggestions). So just wanted to add some more commentary. Thank you. ☼Phrasia☼ (talk) 01:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.