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The result was delete. Shereth 23:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Museum Mile, London[edit]

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This article has been in existence since Dec 2006, without any statement of notability, or expansion. The term appears to have been applied only by the London Borough of Camden, and in fact appears to conflict with other uses to apply the term to museums around South Kensington. If this article were to be retained, I should like to see some evidence that it's used beyond LBC. Cheers Kbthompson (talk) 09:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep — promotional or not, this page provides a worthwhile list of important museums in this area of central London. The term is used by "Visit London", the official London tourist board website, and is thus used by others as well as the London Borough of Camden. I have added a reference. Jonathan Bowen (talk) 12:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That link is to the opening page of 'Visit London' and doesn't appear to contain any reference to 'Museum Mile'. I can't find it on 'attractions/culture/' either - and a site search returns no results.

Museums in London are all listed in ((London museums and galleries)). While the contents are notable, this article just seems an arbitrary list - and includes the Theatre Museum which closed and transferred its collection to the V&A. Kbthompson (talk) 12:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — Try here. I think you clicked the wrong link! Jonathan Bowen (talk) 13:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. Kbthompson (talk) 14:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the Percival David Foundation of Chinese Art was a research library (not open to the public), has now closed and its collection is being incorporated in the British Museum. The Petrie museum is also closing, to be incorporated into the UCL Institute for Cultural Heritage. The Huntarian Museum is in Glasgow - its the other brother that founded this collection, and there's no specific article. The Brunei Gallery is a redirect to a University college. Last time I was there, the Royal Opera House didn't have a gallery, or exhibition - although the building has intrinsic interest. Kbthompson (talk) 12:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This list might be appropriate at Wikitravel but it has no place here. Thetrick (talk) 15:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as the one who originally suggested that this page needed drastic attention at WikiProject London. This is a failed tourist board initiative that is not signposted in any form in the area, is not labelled as such at the museums concerned, and the only circumstances in which I can see someone using the term "Museum Mile" in the context of London would be to refer to Exhibition Road. – iridescent 19:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — I can't see a reference to the failure mentioned above. Is this just a personal opinion? If not, please provide documentary evidence. The London tourist board information seems to be up-to-date on their website. The term has been used for South Kensington museums too and I have added a note and reference for this (from Fodors) in the article. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 12:49, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Failed" is a value judgement of mine based on the fact that not a one of these museums is actually using the term (because it's a personal opinion, I've not added it to the article). The visitlondon "source" is a red herring, as (aside from that one paragraph) it just leads to a pdf mirror of the LBC website. Incidentally, LBC relaunched the initiative about six months ago - again, from personal knowledge there's still not a single piece of signage either at street level or in the museums involved. The local paper doesn't contain a single usage of the term and the only hit on the London Tourist Board's website is to the mirror of LBC's leaflet. A google search excluding wiki mirrors and the official websites seems to show a roughly 3-1 usage in favour of South Kensington as opposed to Camden, including the only hit I'd consider a significant source. – iridescent 15:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks, I have added further references and done some reorganization. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 20:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions. —_{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 19:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Delete much as it kills me for anything museum related. Filtering out New York because there seem to be discussions about New York's museum mile that also mention without talking about the subject of this article, doesn't return anything promising. It appears to be a nn initiative. If the article is kept it needs to be more clear because to a non-Londoner it's confusing. Are these near each other? Is it two different initiatves? Two places - similar name? _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 19:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment — I have updated the introduction and reordered the material to improve clarity. — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 00:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete — per iridescent (who initiated discussion on this - I'm really not trying to steal your thunder) and per nom. I thought listing it would throw something else out, but while the individual institutions are notable - and can be listed as such on ((London museums and galleries)); this is just an arbitrary grouping of museums scattered randomly around Camden and Westminster. Three, on the list, are in a state of flux - closing and moving into another collection. Where there was a clear omission, I added it to the template for London museums. I think full plaudits to Jonathan for trying, but like 'off-West End', 'off-Kensington' is really is a non-starter - and there is nothing more to say about the list in the article.

It might be worth mentioning as a footnote to List of museums in London that these are sometimes referred to as Museum Mile - but the same term is applied to Albertopolis - and that both uses seem to be derived from its use in New York. Kbthompson (talk) 09:57, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep — If this term has been used by the official London tourist board website and have some other references on wikipedia, there is no reason that it can not exist as an article here simply because there is no “signage” at the streets. I don’t think we should so much strictly judge this term by comparing it to the one used in the context of New York using the same standard and conclude its value by its less significance than the one in NY. To delete it by those kinds of reasons is arbitrary. For many foreigners who may not be familiar with London, the long list of List of museums in London are not as meaningful as the list in this article. It is at least a valuable source of knowledge to museum goers like me from Asia. Also, another term Albertopolis is too difficult to understand since it is unable to find the meaning from a dictionary. The term of “Museum Mile” is much friendlier to non native speakers. AlisonLiu (talk) 15:49, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.