The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No support for deletion here (apart from the nominator). No consensus for a merge either but this decision should not prejudice a decision for or against a merge based on discussion elsewhere. Davewild (talk) 10:49, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mtigwaki[edit]

In universe plot summary, doesn't add anything to understand For Better or For Worse. No sources exist. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 22:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. -- Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 23:41, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Sources exist. This one has a couple of pages of scholarly research. The other one may or may not, it costs 12 bucks. Here's another fat reference. Here's another, some good info where it starts "Lynn Johnston: Yes to most of the above. We've lived in the north for many years." Apparently the artist got an award for their treatment of the native canadians, too. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 00:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note that Lynn's website includes an entire section on the plotline, and here's more about the award. -- Zanimum (talk) 15:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete.~~ Changed to merge. No relevance or significant mentions outside the universe of the strip. Some of the info could be moved to the Milborough and Mtigwaki section of the For Better or For Worse article. Graymornings_(talk) 00:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be fine with that. The sources cited by Peregrine Fisher are more about the strip as a whole, not this particular part off it. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 00:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, Graymornings, it has no relevance outside of the universe of the strip. But does Jabba the Hutt really have relevance out of Star Wars? Nikki and Paulo outside of Lost? Troy McClure outside of The Simpsons? Yet all are featured articles. Yes, they all have more sources, but that's only because their mediums (television and movies) are written about more than comics are. -- Zanimum (talk) 15:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There has been plenty written about Jabba the Hutt outside the movie; he's indisputably a cultural icon. Of course he's been written about more than a minor fictional Native American tribe. He's notable. The Mtigwaki aren't. Two of the sources are mentions by the artist herself; two are minor academic articles. Unless the Mtigwaki have achieved notability on their own, there's no sense having a separate article. Graymornings_(talk) 16:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two minor academic articles meet notability, plus there's an award. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 19:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's a community populated by Anishinaabe, not an independent "tribe". Bearcat (talk) 17:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

keep just apparently enough discussions for a separate article, but possibly a suitable merge would be reasonable--a good qy for the talk page later. DGG (talk) 07:01, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
True that the place has limited out-of-universe notability, but also true that as one of the most prominent representations of a First Nations community in a mainstream entertainment venue, the content is certainly referenceable. Ergo, merge to For Better or For Worse. For what it's worth, I've separated the "Milborough and Mtigwaki" section in that article; they're two separate topics that belong in very different contexts within the article. The individual section on Mtigwaki, thus, could now use the expansion. Bearcat (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Sounds sensible; let's move the Mtigwaki info to the appropriate section in FBOFW article and redirect. Graymornings_(talk) 23:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. —Bearcat (talk) 16:21, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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