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The result was delete as unsourced article, nn band. - KrakatoaKatie 09:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable band, no independent releases, no notable artists. WP:BAND. Giggy\Talk 07:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. ARArgon 09:51, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks mention by independent reliable sources (at least on the internet), no proof that they have released any charted hits or have their music played by the mass media. Fails WP:MUSIC.--Alasdair 10:12, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE - but with the caveat that if evidence of commercial availability of some of their releases, or notable references by reliable independent sources are found I'll change my vote to KEEP. --BaldDee 15:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article does not provide evidence that the band meets the WP:BAND criteria. Like BaldDee, I feel the article is salvageable if reliable sources are located. —C.Fred (talk) 15:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Here are a couple of links where you can buy an album of theirs and read about why they say they haven't signed with a major label. To be a punk band can make it more difficult to meet WP's standards of notability. [1][2]Nanabozho 06:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Here's another source for buying one of their records. This record is released on Profane Existence which should count as an independent release. As far as PE goes, they've been releasing records since 1989 so they're definetly a serious independent record label. [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raybrower (talk • contribs) 20:03, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
Comment Selling their CDs does not meet any part of WP:BAND, unless you can show that their CDs were at a significant position on charts. I have at least one family member that has contributed significantly to a creative work you can find on Amazon, that doesn't make her notable --lucid 11:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment True, but combined with the other links, it does shows that the band "has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works".Raybrower 14:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: that's subject, not creator. Please see this link and tell me exactly what part of it it meets --lucid 14:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: My mistake, I thought record releases on independent labels would count as published works but I guess that falls under #5 instead. I'd say they fulfil that criteria, there's one release on Profane Existence [4] and one on C.A.H Records [5]. Both labels have released a substantial number of records. Besides various distros, it is quite hard to find sources on the internet for this band. Probably due to the fact that they're part of a scene that traditionally has steered away from a mainstream lifestyle, including excessive use of the internet. If someone has access to traditional zines such as Slug & Lettuce, I'm sure you can find reviews as well as interviews with the band. Here are two reviews of their records though. [6][7]Raybrower 14:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I feel like I should note that an anonymous editor changed the subject of the article from a New York band to a Minneapolis one. The only source I can find is this. An older version of this article asserts notability in several ways (releases on "the more important indie labels," national concert tours), but I guess that's worthless without sources to back it up.--P4k 03:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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