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The result was merge to Minecraft server. Sandstein 18:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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non notable server Praxidicae (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Minecraft server, and add a section for it under Minecraft server#Notable servers. GamesRadar is the only independent source here (other than the YouTube videos). Fails WP:NWEB. — Melofors T C 19:36, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the only source, it's not a notable server and thus shouldn't be merged. This is just fancruft. Praxidicae (talk) 19:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's also two smaller sources shown here on Google News. I feel that it's notable enough to have a section on Minecraft server rather than a whole article.— Melofors T C 21:27, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"having results in Google news" does not equate to sources existing. Praxidicae (talk) 18:43, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I personally support this having a section in the article Minecraft server this really seems like players/users of this server creating a Wikipedia article and ignoring notability requirements, I do not believe it has enough notability for having an article. Simply being the oldest known public Minecraft server does not make it notable enough for it's own article. Considering that it is not a "well known" server, and only has about 40 users at peak times, it should NOT have it's own article. 1 Great Username (talk) 22:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support for Merge with Minecraft server, and add a section for it under Minecraft server#Notable servers. Same reasons as above. JamesHSmith6789 (talk) 23:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Saying that it fails notability due to a lack of sources no longer seems valid now. Sources now include Celebs Pulse and oldest.org, and I'm sure that Melofors is aware of their credibility seeming that he edited the 2b2t page.

Also, to address 1 Great Username's points, the server is extremely popular and "well known". Videos on it accumulate millions of views from some of the top YouTube minecraft channels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtFaCL5v7io

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IlJsazPu0I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCHrFu9GRvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjZIzagevE

The thing is, 1 Great Username was right that a player created the wiki page. I wished he had not because the page he created is poorly sourced, and even more poorly worded. Someone else could have done, and still could do, a much better job.

I think with some polish, minecraftonline.com definitely warrants its own page. I mean it's the oldest server on the best selling game of all time. I'm biased because I happen to be a player on the server, but I think my prior sentence speaks for itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlphaAlex115 (talk • contribs)

@AlphaAlex115: The reason 2b2t warrants an article is that it has several dedicated articles from notable sources. Other than one notable article by GamesRadar, MinecraftOnline is only mentioned on oldest.org and CelebsPulse, both of which are just mentions on lists. Also, oldest.org is unreliable and was removed from the 2b2t article. — Melofors T C 18:19, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per JamesHSmith6789. —{ Cryptic Canadian } 00:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like the article belongs here. Videos were made covering the topic, the server was featured on various sites. A very old Minecraft multiplayer map, one of the very first servers still operating to this very day. Here are some of the YouTube videos with more than 100k views

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtFaCL5v7io (Mines) - 5.2M

Less notable examples:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UbQalxqBdw (Cibergun►Play) - 73k - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNjISlFUfK4 (Kendal) - 87k

Server featured in videos:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6lu2xlowFg (FitMC) - 1M - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3dQH0qQdc4 (AntVenom) - 260k - A lot more videos not worth mentioning.

Also, I found this minecraftforum topic

https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/servers-java-edition/pc-servers/686142-minecraft-online-worlds-oldest-server http://minecraftonline.com/map/#/-354/64/390/-5/Freedonia%20-%20overworld/Day

-Unspectrogram 04/17/2020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unspectrogram (talk • contribs)

@Unspectrogram: @AlphaAlex115: A handful of YouTube links and forum threads do not establish notability on their own. You should acquaint yourselves with Wikipedia's core content policies. Dumping a pile of self-published sources into an AfD as counter-evidence gives a strong impression that this is a promotional article. —{ Cryptic Canadian } 05:38, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Don't think that's fair Cryptic. I also linked to other sources such as Celebs Pulse and oldest.org (in addition to gamesradar). There's likely more sources - and no doubt some could be gotten off 2b2t's page, but I'm lazy. In any event, it's not just YouTube. The YouTube videos with millions of views were just linked to counter 1 Great Username's point.

Also, I already said I was a player there. I'm not really interested in advertising the server - I just think it deserves its own page. Accusing me of trying to promote the server seems a tad harsh, and kind of irrelevant to the points I originally raised.-AlphaAlex115

@AlphaAlex115: "Celebs Pulse" appears to be a content farm. Gamesradar is the only other secondary source I see on the article, which isn't enough to justify an article of this length. If the server deserves its own article, then why does the article rely 90% on primary sources? If the article isn't trying to be promotional, why would we need five different headings listing the server rules? Moderation strategies?

"Do not grief. Do not cheat. Do not spam." "Players usually get a warning for the first time they break a rule, repeating the action can get the player banned." - Like every other competently ran game server?

In its current state, this article is almost certainly going to the heap. Wikipedia doesn't grant exemptions for "laziness." You are free to edit the article to address these problems if you want to save it, but simply dismissing the problems isn't going to help it. —{ Cryptic Canadian } 22:32, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yea Cryptic I agree. In its current state, it's garbage. And as I said before, I'm lazy. It's a shame, but to the heap it goes I guess. -AlphaAlex115

Merge with Minecraft server. There is not much to look into this otherwise we will be having more articles in future which barely need any attention. Azuredivay (talk) 23:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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