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The result was delete. ✗plicit 03:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Finnerty[edit]

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GNG and NARTIST fail. He is in two collections. One is a hospital in the UK, and the other is the Owaka Museum and Catlins Information Centre Wahi Kahuika. Neither collection points to what the multiple collections clause of WP:NARTIST is looking for: being recognized by notable museums. I saw nothing in a search for exhibition reviews. This is a new article, but it does not change the fact that he is obviously not notable by our standards. --- Possibly ☎ 03:24, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnbod: I didn't know that. However one would imagine that if it has a distinguished collection, that would be mentioned by our article on it? My general point is that the two collections are not in art museums. The Owaka museum says that "Included in the collection is a wide variety of items relating to the social and natural history of the area." The a Royal Hospital source is better than I thought, given your pointer, but we are still not at the point where his work is included in several notable museums or galleries. Are you talking about the Royal Hospital Chelsea Museum described here, rather than the Royal Hospital Chelsea? --- Possibly ☎ 03:32, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. --- Possibly ☎ 03:24, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. --- Possibly ☎ 03:24, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. --- Possibly ☎ 03:24, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Rrmmll22: Welcome. We generally avoid "this guy" comments here, and focus on the content and not the editor. You might be right on my knowledge of British military hospitals, but I know what makes a notable artist quite well. A military pensioner's hospital and a local culture museum do not meet our WP:NARTIST standard for a notable artist. There is not enough secondary coverage (reviews of exhibitions, books, critical commentary etc) to meet our broader standard of WP:GNG. --- Possibly ☎ 03:59, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think in a country there are local artists and there are world renowned. I am not British one bit I am American and we have his paintings in the United States. But this painter had quite the reputation on the South Island of New Zealand. Perhaps New Zealanders can weigh in. I think he is in a museum in Christchurch too.--Rrmmll22 (talk) 04:09, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Rrmmll22: we do cover world renowned artists, but we base it on sources and not personal knowledge. I'll poke around and see if I can find the Christchurch museum source. This discussion has been listed in the NZ deletion sort, so no doubt New Zealanders will pipe in. --- Possibly ☎ 04:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
we are trying to arrive at sources eventually. I agree his artwork is not the best. I have no personal connection to the artist. I do own 3 of his works though.--Rrmmll22 (talk) 04:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Rrmmll22: I checked the Canterbury Museum and the Christchurch Art Gallery's collections. He is not listed. A further search showed only a paid obituary for the same year of death, but it is for someone who was 27 years younger. --- Possibly ☎ 04:32, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t know who that guy is someone else with the same name check out bid bud on the rear of his work he puts his info like birthdate etc. | https://www.bidbud.co.nz/3263873852 --Rrmmll22 (talk) 04:41, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That is good information,but we cannot use any of it as it is on an Auction site, which is not a reliable source. I would also imagine that if he is selling his paintings at his own gallery, he is the one who wrote the text on the back of the painting, which was then copied to the auction listing. I have also checked the Tepapa Museum, the Auckland Art Gallery and the Dose Art Museum, and he is not in their collections. --- Possibly ☎ 04:47, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rrmmll22 if you own three of his works, then you do have a connection to the artist - a financial one. If you purchased his work, you made a financial investment in it. The works can be sold in the future for a possible profit. It is probably best to let the deletion discussion unfold naturally, because it could be a conflict of interest WP:COI for you to !vote. Netherzone (talk) 09:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Netherzone, I do not think that being on this website would effect the value of a piece of artwork nor do I think a collector or expert would reference this site in the course of business. Regardless, we know this artist is in one “ distinguished collection” the royal museum and in one other that probably has some reputation. Furthermore, this artist always has something being sold at auction. Either eBay or other auction. --Rrmmll22 (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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