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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 10:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ManchVegasRollerGirls[edit]

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Clearly promotional article about a roller derby organisation in the northeastern USA; no notability demonstrated. Declined speedy because the article claims that it's the first such organisation: that's a suitable indication assertion of importance in my eyes, but definitely not of notability. Nyttend (talk) 19:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I issued the first CSD notice based on the fact that calling something a league does not in fact make it a league. More so when it is only comprised of two teams. The article itself says that it isn't associated with the relevant association. This may be notable in 10 years time, but there is nothing in the article that even whispers notability. Being first at something does not make something inherently notable. I was the first and only WebHamster on Wikipedia, so does that mean I get to do an article on myself just on those grounds? I think not. --WebHamster 20:30, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It’s for Manchester NH, we can be seen here at www.manchvegasrollergirls.com Were in process of creating and maintain the page. Were the first team in NH to launch as in any state for roller derby teams are created and we were the first flowered by New Hampshire roller derby in second. What i don’t see is how within 30 seconds of creating and launching it gets flagged for removal. I noticed a few typos and hence is the one above that you mentioned in the league. You can look at other roller derby teams in nh such as new Hampshire roller derby who is the Nashua team in NH. They had the same issue with people flagging and wanting a removal. Sorry were not all perfect in wiki but were going to continue to update as needed. You all jump the gun way to quickly give people a chance to compose and get used to things before flagging and throwing hissy fits.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.147.24.249 (talk • contribs) 12:31, February 23, 2009 (UTC)

It seems to me that the originator of the article, who is no doubt also the above SPA IP editor, is the one having hissy fits, especially after their recent blocking. Regardless, this editor needs to learn to differentiate between an article's degree of notability and how well it is written. In this instance it is the notability of the subject that is in question and not the lack of gold star for spelling. It is quite feasible for an article to be flagged for deletion quite rapidly when it's blindingly obvious that the article's subject does not meet WP's notability requirements. The article's creator seems spectacularly ignorant of what is required to meet the notability standards of WP. --WebHamster 12:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No indication of notability. (As a side issue, according to the article's history, it was tagged 20 minutes after creation, which is a reasonable time to wait for some kind of assertion of notability to be added...) --Team1up (talk) 12:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Hmmm. Compare the lead of New Hampshire Roller Derby and ManchVegasRollerGirls. They can't both be "the first women's amateur roller derby league in New Hampshire", and New Hampshire Roller Derby has sourced this information. That rather removes the assertion of importance from ManchVegasRollerGirls. --Bonadea (talk) 18:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Or at least its validity...they still assert it :-) Nyttend (talk) 19:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• • The validity is within the business registration as posted in the links below. The Difference between Nh Roller Derby and Manchvegas roller girls.. is that at one time a about a year ago we were all one team under Manchvegas Roller girls. But due to conflict of intrest etc (that i don’t feel is appropriate or even relevant to post here) went on their way to form a league in Nashua.IMHO Nashua had to fight for the literally same reasons on here and no one else had any further issues. I don’t see why this can’t stay. It’s being added full of information and really people give us a chance Do your research on roller derby .. Check out New Hampshire Roller Derby our pages are practically the same yet they can keep there’s. The only thing that is missing is references that MVRG is working towards obtaining. --Team1up
    • It's those references that are the entire issue: we don't consider deleting your article simply because we hate you (which we don't). Without references, a Wikipedia article can't stand. Moreover, our standards say we can't keep something hoping that sources will appear — please read WP:CRYSTAL about this. It's nothing against you or against MVRG, but there just don't appear to be enough references to make the organisation notable. Nyttend (talk) 13:20, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Totally understood, were working on the refrences atm ,If you can give us some time on who we are we can surly provide something soon. --Team1up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.147.24.249 (talk) 19:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - there is this local paper articlem, but that's all I cold find. Not enough to establish notability -- Whpq (talk) 14:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.