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The result was Snow close and speedy delete. This is a mixture of a snow close as well as a speedy delete via WP:A7 (No explanation of significance (real person/animal/organization/web content/organized event) There's simply nothing here to show notability and a search brings up nothing. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2freehosting.com[edit]

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Non notable web host. No sources other than its website. Creator is likely COI. PROD declined by a sock of the creator. Safiel (talk) 23:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 19:18, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Canada After the Blackout (Revolution TV series)[edit]

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The creator, was previously warned about adding original fan fiction into Revolution (TV series), and admitted the addition was false on their user page: User_talk:Ramramgeorge#Revolution_.28TV_series.29. This looks to be an expansion, and should be deleted if found to be fan fiction. I do not have personal knowledge of the show, and so others must vouch for its authenticity or lack thereof. --Animalparty-- (talk) 22:37, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The page is not popular and it will not be linked in Revolution (TV series). The page has received no views as current and there is nothing to worry about. There is no need for deletion unless you can PROVE the page is causing problems amongst the 5 viewers that have viewed it. IF it was linked in Revolution (TV series) then it is something that must be deleted. However it is not. --Animalparty-- needs to worry about larger problems on Wikipedia rather than this insignificant article. Therefore it should not be deleted unless it receives 100+ views and is one the first page when one searches Revolution (TV series).

--Animalparty--, how on earth did you find this article on Wikipedia? It must have taken quite some searching.

I found the article by browsing the Special:NewPagesFeed, where newly created articles can be viewed and reviewed, and blatant hoaxes hopefully identified and swiftly deleted. No matter how silly and innocuous you think this article is, if it is a blatant hoax and/or original fiction, it has no place in an encyclopedia based on facts. Please read what Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Do not create hoaxes. --Animalparty-- (talk) 00:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

First of all... this is NOT my article. I have no clue who "ramramgeorge" is. However, I did read his/her article and well... it was good for a laugh and all, but this insignificant piece of "fan fiction" (as inappropriate as it is) is not causing any problems. Only YOU seem to be acting up on all this. Only god knows why he chose Wikipedia for this, BUT its a hoax that is not harming anyone... after looking into the case I realized that this IS an improvement over the disruptive editing he was doing before. HE is not ruining Wikipedia's reputation and his article is not viral. Once his article receives more than 100 views I will be ecstatic to nominate it for deletion. There is all sorts of junk on Wikipedia that has caused many more problems than his article. I understand this is one giant hoax, but once again... give the page 100 views or so and then consider deleting it. Leave it alone, and delete ANY link on other articles that lead to the article.

Also, it is a MUCH better storyline than the actual revolution (TV series), and I think naming things are hard enough so the "United States of Wisconsin" is a bit corny I agree to that.

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The result was delete. Very little by way of policy based argument on the keep side. Mojo Hand (talk) 17:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

CardsApp[edit]

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Non-notable mobile phone app. Zero hits on Google News, no references to third-party sites in the article, no real third party coverage on a google search. User has only edited this article, and had another article on the "merchant's control panel" for this app speedy deleted. Possible WP:SELFPROMOTION, though the article doesn't really read like a blatant ad to me. 0x0077BE [talk/contrib] 22:21, 19 February 2014 (UTC) 0x0077BE [talk/contrib] 22:21, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I am as well, so far all keep arguments have been from SPAs, so I'm wondering what your argument for notability is. Not just to challenge your !vote, but possibly to change my mind. -- Atama頭 17:51, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Exactly - as the first non-SPA account to speak in favour of keeping at all I'm interested in the rationale as much to ensure I didn't miss something as anything else. Simonm223 (talk) 19:41, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    The article doesn't look like an ad, but it needs improvement. NintendoFan (Talk, Contribs) 22:25, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So no comment on the notability of the subject? 0x0077BE [talk/contrib] 22:28, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There is marketing speech, for example the assertion that the app makes it so that there is no need for plastic cards (maybe that's the intent, but the article makes it sound like this app has successfully made lives easier). That's just one example. It's really minor though and just requires some small rewrites, which is why I think the "not an advertisement" argument is a bit of a straw man argument since none of the deletion arguments in this discussion were based solely on the advertising copy. Any arguments to keep the article that don't address the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources are not addressing the main concern from those asking to delete the article. -- Atama頭 23:59, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note These last two unsigned are double votes from IP editors who have already voted. I've struck the votes. 0x0077BE [talk/contrib] 14:20, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (WP:Non-admin closure) §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:04, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Anant Sharma[edit]

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Changing this from a db-spam tag - does not seem to be an overtly promotional page, but I can see an argument for notability CaroleHenson (talk) 21:39, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Just say you're withdrawing your nomination and I'm sure an admin will pass by shortly to close it (after all, you've !voted twice to keep it, haha). Sionk (talk) 21:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's a withdrawal.--CaroleHenson (talk) 01:24, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 21:22, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Corcoran[edit]

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Bio about a rugby player that does not meet WP:ATHLETE as the subject only played in U-21 teams. While there is some later local coverage of his work as a coach, it does not rise to the level we would consider to be significant. Article was PRODed once on concerns that it was misleading as to the subject's notability, subsequently deleted and recreated with essentially the same content and references. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 21:10, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Features of the Marvel Universe. And merge from the history at editorial discretion.  Sandstein  08:28, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Attilan[edit]

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This does not establish notability independent of Marvel Comics through the inclusion of real world information from reliable, third party sources. Most of the information is made up of plot details better suited to Wikia. There is no current assertion for future improvement of the article, so extended coverage is unnecessary. TTN (talk) 20:59, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 13:29, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Brown (US Navy SEAL)[edit]

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Non-notable individual and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 20:43, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. How is this person notable? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:59, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also, nobody "approves" any articles. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:09, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I approve of this. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:50, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 17:12, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

West Midlands bus route 934[edit]

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Plainly non-notable bus route. Author removed clean up/notability templates in 2012. Wikipedia is not a travel guide and all this article contains is travel info - route, regularity and general changes which affected a number of routes in the West Midlands of England. Surely there's no justification to list every bus route that exists anywhere? Or am I missing something? Sionk (talk) 20:03, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 02:04, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yitzchok Cohen[edit]

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This is not the right article for Yitzchok Cohen. He want this page to be deleted. Dennicaavis (talk) 06:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep per WP:SK#1. Nomination withdrawn with no outstanding delete votes. (non-admin closure) • Gene93k (talk) 19:15, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thigh gap[edit]

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Once a redirect that has been deleted before, but an article was swiftly created out of it after deletion because the editor was convinced they would produce something better without the baggage. It has been the subject of some protracted discussion at DYK without any consensus. IMHO, the problem still seems to lie in the topic being an unencyclopaedic and trivial "social" concept rather than any topic with medical or psycho-sexual relevance, that no amount of dressing up is going to produce an entry that isn't about an unworthy neologism and an WP:NPOV minefield.  Ohc ¡digame! 13:56, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm intrigued by your 'best part of six years' remark - care to explain?--Launchballer 11:23, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Lemonsdrops, while you may feel quite strongly opposed to the proposed deletion and it is your right to express that view, I encourage you to refrain from personal attacks. That is the sort of thing that can get you banned and does nothing to help illustrate your point, in fact it just makes you look rude! Have a read of WP:CIVILITY and WP:EQ, and try to base your contributions on Policies if you want the admins to consider your arguments in this discussion. Dfadden (talk) 08:33, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Which kind of EQ do you mean? ;-) --Orlady (talk) 18:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 02:14, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Shaun Wallace (cyclist)[edit]

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And fixed another link from Cycling at the 1996 Summer Olympics – Men's 1000m time trial, where he's shown as coming 16th. PamD 15:15, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was procedural close. The nominator withdrew their deletion nomination in light of consensus to merge by the article creator. The article is now a redirect to Hawker (trade)#Argentina. (non-admin closure) Mz7 (talk) 20:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mantero[edit]

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This seems to be a Neologism/loan word of the Argentine equivalent to Hawker (trade). Like street vendors in many places – there are hundreds of these hanging around Le Trocadéro or Trafalgar Square with their blankets, or hawkers on wheels in China, so that they can make a swift getaway with stock intact when the Bill arrive. Illegals, many of them in other countries are – they simply cannot get jobs without papers. I am not sure there is enough that distinguishes them from other street vendors, and a merger to that article would seem the logical home for this content. I have seen one article about the term written in English, but the article relies exclusively on Spanish-language sources, which would tend to indicate that the term has not "traversed" into the English language.  Ohc ¡digame! 02:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. The page may now be redirected, once the deletion request is closed. Once done, we should add as well the "Mantero redirects here" hatnote, with the links to Villa Mantero and Montero. Cambalachero (talk) 14:39, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. j⚛e deckertalk 02:03, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eisenhower Tree[edit]

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Its Today's news. Here at Wikipedia, we chronicle news that sticks with people throughout time. Kennedy's assassination, the Miracle at Lake Placid, Obama getting elected, those stories withstand the tests of time. A tree being removed....no. As I've stated, if it were as famous as you proclaim it to be, why in the 11 years of Wikipedia didn't it get its own article? Because its not highlightable enough. A few moments in golf history won't cut it. Anyone can use the word "iconic" to label anything. An "iconic" pizza parlour closed down recently where I'm at, where's its article? Rusted AutoParts 06:05, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If your pizza shop was part of the master's tournament or mentioned by a dozen major press outlets, is say make an article. This tree is both those things. It's mentioned in books and part of golf culture and history. If I knew more about sports I'd try to make an appropriate analogy to some other sports icon. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:34, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I just want to point out that "why in the 11 years of Wikipedia didn't it get its own article?" is a classical non-argument, as it could only be answered in a speculative way (if you want to know why something's not happened, just ask the person who hasn't done it...). Stripped down to its core, it has nothing to do with the article or its subject, and everything with Wikipedia's policies. Let's never forget that notability is always created outside of the small world of Wikipedia. And btw - there's still some several millions of articles waiting to be written. --Axolotl Nr.733 (talk) 16:27, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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That's a bit like comparing apples and oranges. The two you've mentioned have a wealth of information in regards to its history, while this tree doesn't aside from a few obscure golf moments. And if this tree is famous and didn't get its own article until now, where's not Rae's Creek's article? "The Big Oak Tree"'s? Ike's Pond's? Rusted AutoParts 17:34, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Add the Chained Oak to that as well! The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:30, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Yes! Godwin's law yet again ..... WWGB (talk) 03:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This IP hasn't edited since 2012, and this seems more like a thinly covered jab at his view of the website's politics. Rusted AutoParts 03:03, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
WP:HUMAN. Many people's IPs are not static, so looking at edit frequency for a given IP tells you nothing. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Again this isn't a legit argument for keeping it. It fails general notability guidelines to warrant its own article. Rusted AutoParts 02:44, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not to be rude, but will you rebut every "keep"? Not everyone agrees with you about what is "notable", just as not everyone agrees with my (yourself included). EvergreenFir (talk) 02:49, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Im rebutting the ones that simply argue "it's notable because its notable". Rusted AutoParts 02:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's bordering on hounding. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:30, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That would imply I'm following each and every one of these editors around on different articles to bother them. That's not the case. Rusted AutoParts 16:40, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't find it fair to rebut my vote. I have the right to vote what i think. --Old Time Music Fan (talk) 23:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't find it fair you think I'm discounting your vote. In the end, what I think doesn't matter. Rusted AutoParts 00:24, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, i thought you were. I just got confused.--Old Time Music Fan (talk) 16:07, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it's current news. Doesn't make it notable. Rusted AutoParts 06:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it does. Read WP:GNG for how notability is defined. Also summarized at WP:42. The sources used in the article are "reliable". News outlets such as AP, ESPN, NYT etc. are reliable sources that count towards notability. There is nothing in GNG about "current news" whatever that means. "News" is by definition current and discarding sources for being news, or current, is unsupported in any rule. -- GreenC 06:34, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I highly doubt after years of being a subsection on another article that its removal makes it suddenly notable. As I stated above, a majority of it is a copy/paste job from info we read over at the original article. It can just as easily stay where it's at and serve the same purpose instead of wasting an entire article on such little information. Rusted AutoParts 06:48, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I can't understand your argument. The article is 4 times longer than the section at Augusta National Golf Club, an article itself which is already too long. It's normal and encouraged to split off material and create "main article" links when things get too long. There is nothing wrong with "copy and paste" that is done all the time, though it needs to be recorded on the talk page to keep article history attribution intact see ((copied)). A standalone article allows it to expand and develop (pictures, infoboxes, categories, lead-sections, external links etc) that a sub-section is more limited. There is no such thing as a "wasted" article, they are free and unlimited. -- GreenC 19:57, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Im not doubting the golf community finds it notable, I just feel its not notable enough for its own article. This article sprung up two days ago, after it served as a subsection for many years on Augusta. In my opinion, the creator made it to justify its inclusion on "Deaths in 2014". And a majority of the info comes from news sources reporting its removal, after many years of not being reported on. Just because it may be somewhat notable,,it doesn't mean a full article should be devoted to it. Readers get the same information at the subsection at Augusta. Rusted AutoParts 21:36, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the article has a a couple sentences about the removal, (expanded) the rest of it is about the tree and its history and the history of Eisenhower. Most of the material is out of place in an article just about a golf course. -- GreenC 22:40, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And BTW I don't play golf. Do you? -- GreenC 22:59, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is the article itself, not the recent deaths list. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:52, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How is this in any way a reason to keep? It fails alot of guidelines to remain. Rusted AutoParts 13:18, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
When I say it looks fine, I mean that I consider it meets the criteria. Deb (talk) 12:24, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia has many articles about objects including trees: Category:Individual trees. -- GreenC 20:48, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is the article itself, not the recent deaths list. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:52, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is the article itself, not the recent deaths list. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:52, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually there are plenty of old sources, see the article of Google Books. There is a particularly long one from 1999 in the New York Times for example. -- GreenC 20:46, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There are 5 excellent sources from pre-2014. A full-length NYT piece, another NYT piece, USA today, Saturday Evening Post and a book. There are even more books not (yet) in the article. Also the sources directly assert notability calling it "among the most famous landmarks in golf". -- GreenC 03:05, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Books and sporadic news reports don't make this article notable. And with a majority of the keep arguments consisting of "other stuff exists" arguments, I may remind you all there's also Rae's Creek and Ike's Pond at the course, also referred to as landmarks. Where's their articles? Rusted AutoParts 03:15, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Books and reliable sources are exactly what makes this topic notable. -- GreenC 03:25, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I beg to differ. If that was the case, the article would've been create years ago. Rusted AutoParts 03:29, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There were enough older sources to create an article, but no one did. It's like people, articles get created after they die, incorporating old sources plus new obituary sources. -- GreenC 03:35, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But those weren't created simply to justify being added to Deaths in 2014. Anyway, enough bickering, lets wait for the results. Rusted AutoParts 03:50, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't have to be included in Deaths in 2014. That question can be solved with an RfC if needed. This AfD should be an objective assessment of notability, not a way to solve a dispute over inclusion in Deaths in 2014. -- GreenC 04:35, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hear that, everyone? If it hasn't been created by now, it must be non-notable, so there's no need to create any more articles about things that existed in the past. Everyking (talk) 05:07, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's mature. Shining example of Wikipedia's finest editors. Rusted AutoParts 05:12, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Congrats @Everyking: for completing a decade on wikipedia last week :) ...--Stemoc (talk) 05:43, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Those are all very trivial. Rusted AutoParts 04:59, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Rusted AutoParts, your zeal to smash, burn, annihilate and expurgate this article has by now surely been noted by everyone who has visited this page, and I assure you we are all very impressed. There is no need to expend any more energy in making your views on this subject known. Everyking (talk) 05:15, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's too long to be a section without undo balance problems, and anyway the golf course article is already too long and should be broken into sub-articles. -- GreenC 22:07, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 01:58, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Doppler the Weathercat[edit]

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The mascot of a small news station doesn't meet notability requirements. Rusted AutoParts 06:09, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 16:42, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bhupendra Chaubey[edit]

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Article is clear WP:SPAM. The creator and sole significant contributor appears to be a WP:SPA. Sources appear to be promotional. Article was previously deleted via PROD but restored at creator's request. Ad Orientem (talk) 17:42, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. WP:SNOW. postdlf (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of largest shopping malls in the Philippines[edit]

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delete, we do not need a list of the largest shopping malls in the Philippines or anywhere for that matter. This list attracts spammers like shit attract flies. Most of the information is geared to what stores they have and more advertisement than an unencyclopedic list. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:31, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No I think Bush is a notable jackass, a list of shopping malls is not. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 19:09, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:11, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2013–14 Tercera División[edit]

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At this AfD the article for the 2011–12 season of Tercera División the was deleted as a non-professional football competition failing WP:NSEASONS and WP:NOTSTATS. The same rationale applies for the following seasons of the same league, where no attempt at prose has been made in any case. C679 15:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

35 related articles under the same criteria:

2012–13 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2010–11 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2009–10 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2008–09 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2007–08 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2006–07 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2005–06 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2004–05 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2003–04 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2002–03 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2001–02 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2000–01 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1999–2000 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1998–99 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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1996–97 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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1994–95 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1993–94 Tercera División (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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  • Note the above editor has contributed greatly to the article, and this vote appears to be sarcastic frustration, more so than a belief it should be deleted. Paradoxically, the editor has continued to improve the article since making this comment. Nfitz (talk) 02:20, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that the edits from the author since the AfD nomination have only updated the unsourced statistics. It would be misleading to suggest this has resulted in an improvement to the article. C679 20:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What "good work" are you referring to? No work seems to have gone into any of these pages other than a "copy and paste job" of statistics from other pages. I am not advocating the destruction of good work, I am suggesting that fourth-tier Spanish football is not significantly notable to have 35+ subpages about seasons which are not covered by reliable sources. I would ask League Octopus whether you agree with that. "Key building blocks", as you put it, would in my opinion be significant articles such as Football in Spain, which, by the way, bears no mention to league competitions below the top flight and boasts an impressive eight words regarding competitions for women. Why editors spend time regurgitating trivial statistics instead of improving the most fundamental of articles is beyond me. C679 15:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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You are remarkably quick to assume bad faith here, given how often you accuse others of doing the same. A quick look at any of the articles and a read through of the comments above would show pretty clearly that these articles have any number problems that the Wessex League article does not. Most importantly they have no sources and no prose. Which is precisely what it says in the nomination. Nationality has nothing to do with it. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:11, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We are proposing to delete details for the 4th level of Spanish football, which is very well covered in the Spanish-language version, and yet we keep the 10th level of English football? Not only am I assuming bad faith. IT IS bad faith. It's a vile, disgusting, violation of WP:BIAS. It's sad to see such prejudice. If one is troubled, expand the articles. Much of the argument doesn't seem to be that the articles are lacking, but that they shouldn't be here in the first place. Nfitz (talk) 18:04, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Very well covered", as you put it, actually being "full of statistics and generally unreferenced prose". Spanish Wikipedia having more lax notability rules is not a reason to keep articles on English Wikipedia, when there is a uniform absence of referenced prose. As for the 10th tier of English football, I imagine that is not covered by reliable sources either on a season-by-season basis, but that matter is for elsewhere. C679 13:45, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Very well covered, as in this article is covered by 20 separate articles there. Still, do you really think that it would be difficult to establish notability for the 4th level of Spanish soccer, if the article was improved, rather than deleted? Nfitz (talk) 02:22, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Quality ≠ quantity. 20 separate articles which are unsourced and statsdumps. Not "very well covered" at all. The point is, that the articles here at en.wiki do not meet GNG and nobody, even you, is suggesting that they do. So there seems to be an absence of rationale to "keep". C679 20:40, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That comment makes it look like you believe it is the article that needs to pass WP:GNG to be notable - it is the topic that needs significant coverage in reliable sources to be notable. The current state of an article is unrelated to notability. Mentoz (talk) 21:31, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Semantics, Mentoz86; topics are subject to coverage, not articles. Articles about topics which have not been the subject of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources may fail GNG. State of the article is somewhat connected to notability, as many articles do show they meet notability requirements by having reliable sources verify their content. Thanks for the opportunity for clarification, though. C679 21:55, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The proposed deletions are unsound and unfair in terms of the potential to expand the articles. If we take one just year say 2012–13 Tercera División it could be expanded into a very detailed article using regional web and newspaper articles. Just take a look at the Spanish pages:
+ Numerous regional newspaper & web articles
+ General stats sites
League Octopus 10:44, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • They could be expanded. However, having looked at a couple of the articles I can see very little prose supported by references apart from coverage from winning the league at the Galicia section, which of course is possible to list (or write about) at the page for the league. General stats sites belong in the external links. I hope you're not suggesting a format similar to the Spanish one, where there is an abundance of statistical information and barely any referenced prose. Per WP:NOTSTATS, "To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources. Wikipedia articles should not be: […] Excessive listings of statistics."C679 13:40, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This is a very very serious issue for the project. You all do brilliant admin work for the project but the removal of fourth tier league tables from the "World & European champions" country is a step too far. You are playing with WP terminology (you know far more about it than me) but if you want people like me to stay in the project you will call a halt to this form of "mass deletion" nonsense. The choice is yours. I could provide a great single page for 2012–13 Tercera División that would tick all the boxes but I have resolved to give the project one last chance (after a years absence) and give superb coverage to an African country - Uganda (currently halted). League Octopus 14:35, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So by your argument, (ignoring the point that notability rules are not uniform across Wikis so highlighting what is on the Spanish WP is not relevant), we should keep the pages until Spain are no longer world and European champions? I also note, looking at the Spanish articles that these seem to suffer from exactly the same problem being discussed here, namely a wealth of stats and a dearth of sourced prose. Only this article has anything like a significant amount of prose, but it is all unsourced, so I am not sure what point you are trying to make, there is little indication that there is substantial reliable discussion of each of these groups in Spanish language sources from your comments above bar the usual routine stat sites. Furthermore, how would you address the points raised above that season articles are only required for "top leagues" as per WP:NSEASONS. I know this is particularly vague, but it stands to reason that a tier on any countries league pyramid where the divisions are split by region is not a "top league". Fenix down (talk) 11:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSEASONS covers "sports team seasons" not leagues. The issue demonstrates that this deletion process is fundamentally flawed with NSEASONS being promoted as a main reason for deletion when clearly NSEASONS does not make any reference to "league seasons". A reasonable action would have been to put the articles forward for improvement rather than culling. 15:46, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Your comments here are beginning to get quite personal, you may wish to consider reviewing them. Aside from any issues with NSEASONS, which AfD precendent shows has been used for league seasons as well as club seasons, since it is merely WP:COMMONSENSE to replace the word "teams" with "leagues" in the phrase Team season articles should consist mainly of well-sourced prose, not just statistics and lists of players, there are still fundamental NOTSTATS and GNG issues in this raft of statdump articles that rely almost wholly on statistical websites for there sourcing. So far you have not been able to provide any real evidence that these articles pass GNG and the reasons for this is that beyond statistical sites and routine match reporting, there simply is not the level of substantial reliable sources out there to generate the degree of sourced prose that these articles require. Fenix down (talk) 14:52, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why should they be the limit, what guidelines exist to support this view. The fact that the league is at a level from which teams can qualify for the Copa del Rey would indicate that the league and teams are inherently notable for their own articles, which no one is debating here, but that is not an inclusion criteria currently mandated by NSEASONS. I would however, agree with you and Nfitz above, that there are a number of leagues which currently have season articles where NSEASONS would indicate they are not sufficiently notable and perhaps these should / will be discussed in due course. However, as always, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is never an acceptable AfD argument. Fenix down (talk) 11:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Procedurally, AfD nominations may not be withdrawn when votes for delete are present. Of course, if any specific article meets the general notability guideline, there is a strong case to keep it. C679 20:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - In my view there is real potential to WP:MERGE the Tercera División league table pages with the Tercera División play off pages e.g. 2010–11 Tercera División can be merged with 2011 Tercera División play-offs. The play-offs should make it much easier for Spanish-speaking editors to address notability.
Play-off pages have been created for:
and info can be added for the play-offs covering the other years.League Octopus 09:16, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 17:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Triangle of Life[edit]

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Entirely unreferenced article with dubious notability and verifiability. Various "triangles of life" can be found on the internet (including this one), but I haven't found a reference that confers credibility and notability on this article.

I previously PROD'd this page, but the author undid that. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 15:45, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 19:18, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do You Want Me Or Not?[edit]

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Not notable. Lacks reviews, charting, gold. duffbeerforme (talk) 14:35, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn by nominator. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:31, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of Italian geniuses[edit]

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Too subjective, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of geniuses. Launchballer 11:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that the last AfD was closed as 'no consensus'. Granted, this was a much higher quality than List of geniuses but I take the view that you can't polish a turd. Also WP:NOTDIR.--Launchballer 11:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a policy-based argument?--Launchballer 12:41, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No argument or defense by CultureEurope is necessary, he has already spelled-out his policy arguments in the 3 week, 2500-word AfD that was closed 96 hours ago; to demand he retype them all is borderline harassment. The very existence of this AfD is now the subject of discussion, not the article. BlueSalix (talk) 13:10, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The names listed in the wikipedia page were taken from two sources:
Cox IQ [8] is one of the 301 IQs assigned by American psychologist Catherine Cox of the three-hundred greatest geniuses that lived between 1450 and 1850, as published in her famous 1926 book Early Mental Traits of Three Hundred Geniuses.
Buzan IQ [9] is an IQ assigned by Englishmen accelerated learning expert Tony Buzan and grand chess master and literature scholar Raymond Keene, as found in their 2005 Book of Mental World Records, in which they attempt to rank the hundred greatest geniuses of all-time using an eight category, 835-point, scoring methodology, assigning IQs to each genius along the way. Goodbye... --CultureEurope (talk) 15:37, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I didn't see the previous nomination until I'd filed this one. I use WP:TWINKLE to AfD articles. Hence why I didn't mention it in my initial rationale. --Launchballer 21:23, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Can you withdraw your nomination then and I'll make a non-admin close? BlueSalix (talk) 23:21, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'm happy to. How would one go about doing that?--Launchballer 23:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  08:10, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2014 748 Air Services HS 748 crash[edit]

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Article was created by blocked user and is of questionable notability

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The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE. The Bushranger One ping only 13:27, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Risdall Advertising Agency[edit]

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I nominated this at AfD back in July, saying "Regional advertising agency. No apparent importance". It was defended by the article creator as "One of the larger agencies in the Twin Cities market with clients across the country and internationally. Also the same size as Martin Williams Advertising and Campbell Mithun" As nobody else commented even after 2 relistings, it was closed (properly) as non-consensus.

The reply to the reasons for keeping is, of course, that there are many other advertising agencies whose articles should be deleted. , and that "one of the larger" is not the same thing as "notability. I would now at promotionalism as an additional reason: a list of a firm's clients is not approptiate contents, but advertising.

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Reference to search results was deleted. Client list helps indicate the agency's regional/national prominence.--Jansenminneapolis (talk) 15:39, 5 February 2014 (UTC) SpeedyDelete Every edit seems to be traced back to Jansenminneapolis, seems suspicious.[reply]

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The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE. The Bushranger One ping only 13:27, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nutritional Rehabilitation Center, Nepal[edit]

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an extremely worthy but extremely small project ,of no encyclopedic significance. DGG ( talk ) 04:58, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:55, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

White Writing: On the Culture of Letters in South Africa[edit]

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the author is a Nobelist, and any substantial work of his is notable. Even some or many individual essays might be. I do not think we should necessarily extend it to collections of essays, unless they've been as a collection the subject of critical comment that discusses the collection as such. I think that's going to be very rare, tho it can happen. DGG ( talk ) 04:51, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SmartSE (talk) 22:03, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Susan Featherly[edit]

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Fails WP:NPEOPLE and WP:GNG. Most of the movies she acted in are non-notable, selected few she has only minor roles, has no awards or recognition to indicate any claim for notability. Currently contains only one source, which I couldn't verify what it exactly supports. IMDB profile indicates a small time actress. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:17, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. The Bushranger One ping only 13:27, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Greg Taylor (author)[edit]

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Notablity not establish. Could not find source. Beerest 2 talk 13:32, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MER-C 12:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Metropolitan School of the Arts[edit]

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Non-notable organization. Speedy deletion declined on the basis that this organization uses the word "school" in its name and thus automatically avoids WP:CSD#A7 deletion. I would argue that the A7 exclusion only applies to actual schools (public and private primary, secondary, and college-level institutions), and not private dance, music or arts schools such as this one, but the speedy was declined so here we are. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:37, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 05:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

308 East Green Street[edit]

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Extremely local significance. A dispute over liquor use in the vicinity of one particular eating establishment near the Univ. of Illinois, Champaign. Nobody not connected with the university would conceivably be interested. Nor are there any such sources. 'DGG (at NYPL)' (talk) 20:06, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The Bushranger One ping only 13:27, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

309 Green[edit]

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Planned building of only local significance near the University of Illinois. The refs are either local to the town and the college, or mere notices. I don;t think it would be notable even if it were in existence, but so far it is only planned. While planned buildings can be notable, the bar should be set very much higher. 'DGG (at NYPL)' (talk) 20:09, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to List of halls of residence at the University of Reading.

There was clear consensus that this building has no individual notability, but residence halls in aggregate do, so moving this to List of halls of residence at the University of Reading makes sense. Unfortunately, @Des Titres: already went ahead and created that article during the run of this AfD, which complicates things. Instead of a simple move, somebody now has to do a merge. I think that was pushing the limits of WP:BOLD, but here we are.

It was also mentioned that Wantage_Hall should be merged as well. My gut feeling is that's the right thing to do, but that's out of scope for this AfD so no official opinion on that one.

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St Patrick's Hall[edit]

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WP:BOLD redirect reverted without a proper explanation by a brand-new account. This is a Halls of Residence, with no notability independent of the University of Reading, and as such, there's nothing worth merging. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 20:58, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've retracted my remarks as the other editor keeps changing his comments after I have replied to them showing them to be wrong, making my comments then appear stupid. Des Titres (talk) 22:39, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, Des Trites, I've made it very clear as to why I've made my changes. (Also, sorry for being quite abrupt, these constant database server drop-outs, and my own internet issues, are really annoying me when I try to make a post/edit) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 22:41, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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  • The article itself says it is the second oldest, and as far as I'm aware, it hasn't got any kind of listing. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 18:43, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Charles, I am from USA. It must be showing. Bearian (talk) 18:45, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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  • The only reason it is included in the template is because it has an article; there is nothing particularly special about St. Pat's whatsoever, other than that it's a catered hall, as opposed to self catered (I'm at this University, so I would know if there was!) Wantage Hall does classify as "historic", although I wouldn't say that is particularly notable either (hence why I initially redirected that one), and turning this into a "list of halls of residence" article is pointless; just create that article, rather than having the irrelvant history from this one in there. In short, I'm not sure why you voted keep when most of your !vote is a proposal for a new, separate article, and the other bit shows a lack of fact-checking. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 15:38, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So you, User:Lukeno94, proposed it for deletion without disclosing that you were also a student at the same university. Are you in a rival hall? Des Titres (talk) 20:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Rival hall"? That's one of the most ludicrous comments ever. I have disclosed that I am a student at the University on multiple occasions, and I'm not so lame as to buy into the whole "one hall is better than another" type thing. And you can go away if you want to demand that I disclose my exact hall, because that is private information that you would have no business knowing. I'm beginning to wonder if you're a trolling-only account. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:32, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well you would say all that. You still proposed it for deletion without disclosing that you were a student at the same university, in a different hall. Des Titres (talk) 22:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bullshit. I've disclosed on multiple occasions that I'm a student at the University, and you don't have a clue whether I'm in St. Pats or not. You really are a trolling-only account, aren't you? I seem to attract those... Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 11:40, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is our duty to credit contributions, yes, but only when they're relevant; if this article's focus was completely changed, then yes, it would be irrelevant and unnecessary to clutter up the edit history with this article's history. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:55, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't doubt there's some level of local coverage, but that isn't going to be enough to establish notability. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 08:07, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because there's no national coverage, which is what I did look for. Local coverage is not enough to generate notability, particularly not as it is almost always going to be in the context of the University anyway. Jeez... Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:29, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Where did you look - old newspapers in the library, or what? Des Titres (talk) 22:28, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Google, Google News, that sort of thing. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 23:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See below: i edited the article to become the missing/needed list. --doncram 16:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wantage Hall appears to be a listed building, which appears to convey some notability. St Pat's does not have the same status. I did initially redirect both, only to be reverted by the brand-new account that has been making wild accusations in this AfD, and someone else had stated that they thought Wantage was notable, hence why I didn't AfD that one. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:07, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Both are valid articles, indeed I've already created List of halls of residence at the University of Reading too. Des Titres (talk) 17:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Argh, the new List of halls of residence at the University of Reading is a copy-paste from the St. Patrick's Hall article edited by me to be ready to be moved, and which has been reverted to being just about St. Patrick's. GFDL proper crediting matters. However this AFD closes, could an administrator fix the edit history: if decision is to delete/move St. Patrick's Hall, then please move it, with its edit history, to the new List name, and merge the history. It's not a great work to be super-proud of, but the editors of St. Patrick's and my edits should be in the edit history. Copy-pastes are usually not a good idea. I understand Des Titres' point though, s/he believes both articles are separately notable. If both are kept, i kinda think my edits ought to be included in the new List article's history too. --doncram 22:12, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) buffbills7701 21:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Qingjian Group[edit]

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Article fails to establish notability WP:N per WP:GNG and WP:CORP. Cited source coverage is trivial. See WP:42. PROD tag removed by creator who asserts notability based on the company's revenue on article's talk page. I don't see revenue listed as criteria for notability though and the sources remain thin at best. Am I missing something here? Ad Orientem (talk) 18:59, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I created this article. While the operative term for the inclusion criteria is notability, I believe the aim of the guidelines is to at the very least include major companies. I pointed out the annual turnover of Qingjian is in the billions of US dollars. That's equivalent in size to a Fortune 500 company. Pausing for one second and thinking common sense, no matter how zealously you wish to delete, how would it be agreeable to other contributors that a company of this size is promptly deleted? Greatvictor999 (talk) 10:24, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus, with a distinct possibility of a page move to rename the article. (Non-administrator closure.) NorthAmerica1000 11:02, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Segar[edit]

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fails NN, Wikipedia is not a memorial Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 17:12, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) buffbills7701 21:51, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tooban[edit]

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Notability not established for almost 6 years. Puffin Let's talk! 14:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Yes its a legal place, an Irish townland, most are populated, what is notable about this one? We don't have articles for the other 61,000 townlands. Snappy (talk) 15:57, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment - Yes, I linked the main townland article above. My question why is this one notable? Snappy (talk) 23:02, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:04, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Killenaule GAA[edit]

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No references, notability not established for almost 6 years. Puffin Let's talk! 14:52, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Please do not delete. I agree that it needs more information, which I have begun to add. Pmunited (talk) 15:05, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  08:28, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Asia Nexgen[edit]

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Fails to meet general notability guideline WP:GNG or corporate notability standards WP:CORP. Agyle (talk) 05:48, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't searched for ANX; ANXPRO and ANXBTC could also be worth including in searches. Articles from CNN, SCMP, MSN/Malaysia, The Hindu, and NDTV all covered the New Years Bitcoin giveaway promotion by ANX around January 28–January 30.
Financial Times, 14 January 2014 has a two–sentence quote from the company's CEO on regulations.
CoinDesk, 6 February 2014 mentions ANXPRO and ANXBTC services in passing in one sentence.
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At least, for the license, it can be found on the Hong Kong Hong Kong Customs and Excise Department website by searching for the license number 13-09-01268 here https://eservices.customs.gov.hk/MSOS/wsrh/001s1?searchBy=A _dk (talk) 05:13, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The database search is not a "reliable source" in Wikipedia's sense, i.e. a published source (see WP:RS, particularly regarding "published"). If results of the database search could be archived (the URL doesn't change, so a search can't be archived by archive.org), it might be considered a reliable source, although as a primary source that's less than ideal. And the database says the license is for a company named Mega Idea Holdings Limited, "trading as Asia Nexgen", while different articles variously refer to the compan names Asia Nexgen, Asia Nexgen Bitcoin Exchange, ANX, and ANXBTC. The Wikipedia article cites no reliable sources verifying that these refer to a single legal entity, that they can legally trade money under those names based on Mega Idea Holdings' MSO license, or that Mega Idea or any of the other companies are legally registered Hong Kong companies. Even the company itself doesn't seem to explicitly claim any connection between the companies; anxbtc.com lists the same MSO license number, but I found no mention of Mega Holdings or Asia Nexgen on the site. Agyle (talk) 05:45, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete : I agree with Agyle. The company is not yet sufficiently notable for inclusion. Chris Arnesen 22:33, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:34, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Museum of Southern History[edit]

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Non-notable museum. No independent refs. No claim of notability. Googling finds a handful of non-independent coverage but nothing independent with in depth coverage. PROD removed without improvement. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:08, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I did that before nominating it for AfD. Google news gives me one hit for "Museum of Southern History", which is a 404 link. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:26, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, Google News is no longer a useful metric of notability. See Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 44#Google news archive search? and Template talk:Find sources#Google News search is completely useless. Here is one news story about this entity: "Historical accuracy is the thrust of Museum of Southern History, curators say", Florida Times-Union, August 14, 2009. Having looked through some pages of Google results, I am on the fence about whether there's enough coverage in evidence or not. --Arxiloxos (talk) 06:39, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(a) Google search and google news have never been a particularly useful metric of notability, but they're part of my good-faith test before nominating things I've never heard of before to AfD. Is there anything better that I should use instead? (b) The link above makes me think WP:FRINGE (I know very little about american history from this period). Stuartyeates (talk) 06:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A museum honoring the history of the Antebellum and Confederate south is controversial. The museum itself has been covered and they are often involved in issues related to controversial statues and buildings named for confederate "heros". It's a pretty interesting subject actually. Coverage here, here and here for example. Candleabracadabra (talk) 15:44, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The about.com link is junk and all the other links are jacksonville.com links, suggests local interest only, to me. Stuartyeates (talk) 18:47, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE The Bushranger One ping only 13:26, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Web Reservations International[edit]

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The only evidence its the world's largest --or for anything else -- comes from their own press releases. DGG ( talk ) 02:42, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They are the world's largest company in that space. Go call any hostel on the telephone and ask them what the world's largest hostel booking company is. Whether the answer is Hostelworld, Hostelbookers, or Hostels.com they are talking about Web Reservations International. Let99 (talk) 03:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's definitely notable. It's also mentioned here for the purchase of a dot-com legend. Look at the sale price of the company in 2009: $458m USD. It's the single most important company in the entire Hostel industry. If you aren't in that industry then go ask anyone who is. There should also be separate pages for their main websites, since there are notable stories behind those too. Let99 (talk) 04:24, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Don't edit my comments. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:00, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't edit the comment -- just the indentation, since it didn't use standard Wikipedia indentation. When people do that and the conversation goes on, it can get confusing. Let99 (talk) 07:30, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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This page shouldn't be up for question. It's the world's largest hostel booking company and obviously deserves its own Wikipedia page. It and its acquisitions are worth over 1/2 billion USD so I think it's a notable company. Let99 (talk) 01:22, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 10:37, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kraken (digital currency exchange)[edit]

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Fails to meet general notability guidelines WP:GNG or corporate notability WP:CORP. Agyle (talk) 07:34, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Just to clarify, WSJ discussed Payward (I think – I viewed too many WSJ articles this month to check), which is the company that runs the Kraken service; Kraken is a digital currency exchange, not a currency (or "pseudocurrency") itself. Agyle (talk) 03:19, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Robinson Crusoe Island#In popular culture. The Bushranger One ping only 13:22, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Apocalypse Island[edit]

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Television quasi-documentary does not meet any notability standard; no independent reliable sources discuss it more than trivially, and even trivial mentions are rare. Agyle (talk) 07:55, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR.) (Non-administrator closure.) NorthAmerica1000 11:22, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Smallworld Cable[edit]

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Article seems to be mainly promotional. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sex + Love[edit]

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Premature article, per WP:NALBUMS. No confirmed tracklist. No confirmed release date (only a tweet by the artist, nothing by the label or any distribution channel). —Kww(talk) 19:50, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The track listing seems to have been confirmed by Wal-Mart. Erick (talk) 06:14, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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1) Other stuff exists is not a valid reason to keep an article. 2) Upcoming albums are supposed have to the name, release, and full track listing in order to have its own article, as pointed out on Kww's link. Erick (talk) 20:01, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Hadn't seen instances of coverage since located by Carrite. That's enough for me to change my !vote. Stalwart111 23:43, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ http://www.walmart.com/ip/35003816
  2. ^ http://www.josepvinaixa.com/blog/enrique-iglesias-love-sex-tracklist/
  3. ^ http://www.walmart.com/ip/35003816
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The result was no consensus. (Non-administrator closure.) NorthAmerica1000 11:24, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mitch Feierstein[edit]

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Not notable. The only possible reason for any encyclopedic notability is his one book, but . a/c WorldCat is in fewer than 100 libraries. Accepted at AfC regardless, DGG ( talk ) 03:56, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:51, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

S K Srivastava[edit]

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Article subject lacks notability WP:N per WP:GNG and WP:POLITICIAN. Cited sources are primary and or trivial and fail WP:RS. See WP:42. Ad Orientem (talk) 23:11, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Don Balfour (politician)[edit]

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All the sources I have found are about the one incident mentioned in the article. He was acquitted of all charges and reinstated to the Georgia Senate. It does not appear that there is significant coverage in reliable sources other than for this one event. GB fan 13:26, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.

A person who fails to meet these additional criteria may still be notable under Wikipedia:Notability. Editors may find these criteria helpful when deciding whether to tag an article as requiring additional citations (using ((BLP sources)) for example), or to instead initiate a deletion discussion.

  1. Note, this article was first discussed at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion#Don Balfour (politician) BLP issues.
  2. In my opinion the concerns voiced at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion#Don Balfour (politician) BLP issues should have been voiced at Talk:Don Balfour (politician).
  3. Deletion of well documented articles due to editorial concerns is counter to our deletion policies. Geo Swan (talk) 00:43, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment My question to the closing administrators is why was this AfD relisted twice? As Arxiloxos said, this is not even a close call. State legislators in the United States are notable. Enos733 (talk) 06:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/27/us/georgia-lawmakers-drop-rebel-cross-from-the-flag.html
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The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR.) (Non-administrator closure.) NorthAmerica1000 11:27, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stephens Orr[edit]

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Not enough evidence. As well as he is not notable in any way. NovaSkola (talk) 07:34, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR.) (Non-administrator closure.) NorthAmerica1000 11:29, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Alden[edit]

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No individual notability. Producer is an administrative function, not an artistic one. Some of these works are major, but non e of them are his in any creative sense. The referneces are to the works, and list him in the credits; they are not about him, or his role, and they do not shown importance for him. DGG ( talk ) 02:59, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Producer is an artistic role, and has creative input on many aspects of a production. The fact that they vet and hire the creative team, raise money, and find distribution for a film surely merits importance to the resulting production, as it would not exist without a Producer. One of the references is an article published about him and his role as producer on a variety of projects. What more is needed to avoid deletion of this entry? Kylemetzger 11 (talk) 17:52, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was intensely vetted by Wikipedia while creating the page that Wikipedia accepted on May 28, 2013 as biography of living persons. No alterations have been made to the page with the exception of the addition of a photo. Wikipedia required appropriate links to confirm the content of the page was factual. Those links were provided and the page was published. I am not sure what additional confirmations may now be needed for the biography but in response to DGG statement that Producer is an administrative function, not an artistic one the none of the projects are mine in any creative sense is inaccurate, however, as descriptive commentary was not allowed, I relied on the Wikipedia definition of a Producer. What is the basis for claiming no individual notability as a reason for deletion in this instance? And what is the definition of notability as it would relate to a requirement for continued inclusion in the publication? Thank you Mdjared (talk) 14:28, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 16:45, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pierre-Marie Robitaille[edit]

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Seems to fail WP:BIO for WP:ONEEVENT reasons. jps (talk) 13:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Doing a bit a research with this tool found that this article wasn't an orphan at one time, as it was actually linked to List of Big Bang Cosmology Dissidents. That article is also nominated for deletion. Aerospeed (Talk) 15:14, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The subject does have a slight amount of notability due to the full page ad in the NYT and the follow-up article, but on the other hand, it didn't get coverage anywhere else, and I don't think we need a Wikipedia article on every "man bites dog" story that appears in the NYT, let alone every kooky paid advertisement. Also, I think this article was created specifically to generate notability so the guy could be added to the "List of Big Bang Dissidents", which is another problematic article. This technique of manufacturing mutually referential articles promoting fringe POVs is not consistent with Wikipedia policy.Urgent01 (talk) 18:35, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Read WP:Prof, its talk and archives. Best wishes. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:48, 10 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]
I don't think there is anything in that notability guideline that indicates how one is to write an article when all the sources are just the person's corpus of work. High h-index can be considered evidence for notability, but by itself it cannot serve as a the sole reliable source for a biography. jps (talk) 11:54, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We can't even reliably say his birth year. IRWolfie- (talk) 01:08, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
From article "July 12, 2010 marks the 50th birthday of Professor Pierre- Marie Robitaille". Xxanthippe (talk) 01:17, 11 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]
The article you are using is a fringe source with no reputation for fact checking. IRWolfie- (talk) 19:07, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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However, during the course of this deletion discussion it was pointed out that Robitaille is listed as author (or rather, co-author) on several papers (involving radiology) that have appeared in reputable journals, and it's been suggested that these papers might meet the threshold of notability as a radiologist researcher. I did a google search and just randomly grabbed one of these mainstream papers:
Article: Changes in concentrations of neuroendocrine hormones and catecholamines in dogs with myocardial failure induced by rapid ventricular pacing.
Brian M Roche, Denise Schwartz, Robert A Lehnhard, Kenneth H McKeever, Tomohiro Nakayama, Timothy E Kirby, Pierre-Marie L Robitaille, Robert L Hamlin
American Journal of Veterinary Research 11/2002; 63(10):1413-7. · 1.35 Impact Factor
I don't claim this is representative, I just grabbed one at random. I assume this is a reputable journal, and the paper is mainstream research... but I'm not sure how much this counts toward notability for Robitaille, because he isn't really a Veterinarian, he is a radiologist. I'm not qualified to even guess what his contribution to this paper might have been. For all I know, the main authors might have just asked him to take an MRI of the dogs. I'm in the same boat when I try to assess the other papers on which he is listed as co-author. What we would like, ideally, is an independent reputable secondary source that says Robitaille is notable in the field of veterinary research, or radiology, or whatever. But secondary sources that mention him seem to be scarce. I'm reluctant to simply use an undigested tally of papers on which he is listed as co-author as verifiable proof of notability. We could really use an independent secondary source.
Also, the existing article is focused on the non-mainstream views and the NYT incident, which is (let's face it) a lot more notable to the average person than all those papers combined. A Wikipedia article is supposed to be focused on the notable aspects of the subject, so if the article is retained on the grounds that he is notable as a radiology researcher but not as a cosmologist or dissident scientist, then the article would need to be completely re-written.Urgent01 (talk) 00:41, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
His h-index is 26, I10-index about 39 or so by google scholar (which is always on the high side) which doesn't sound notably high. It seems standard for a professor whose chief publishing was in the 90s, but the value is field dependent. Second Quantization (talk) 21:05, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Admittedly it is pretty amusing, particularly the last line: "The Times ad cost nearly a year of Robitaille's salary. When asked why he didn't just put it on the standard preprint archive, he replied that he didn't know it existed." Second Quantization (talk) 20:54, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 04:53, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

El Kassasin Accident[edit]

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Not notable auto accident. The King was injured but this isn't worthy of a stand alone article. ...William 16:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. G3: Hoax ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 17:15, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pokémon Stadium 3[edit]

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no such game Digifan23 (talk) 07:56, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: this is a hoax. Not sure if it could be speedied under WP:G3? BethNaught (talk) 14:46, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 04:48, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Avalon Cove[edit]

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Article name refers to a 5 storey building (as per coordinates) while reference is to a 25 storey one. This confusion led to a lot of confused edits and reverts. Problem has been signalled on the talk page but no action was taken. Article creator has a long history of creating articles for non-notable buildings. While I can't find evidence of notability for either, even if any of the two buildings mixed-up here would be notable, best is to delete this mess. ELEKHHT 06:11, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SmartSE (talk) 22:01, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A Walk With Our Ancestors[edit]

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A self-published book (via CreateSpace). Author has only released self-published books. Unable to find any reliable refs. Article has been around since 2010, so I'm leery of doing a Prod. Bgwhite (talk) 06:01, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I've tagged it with a speedy for the article's history, but I'm unsure if it will be deleted since the material was removed. I'm just a little afraid of leaving this up when it has attacks of that nature in the history, although I know that we've kept article histories like that in the past. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:35, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • On a side note, I find it a little hilarious that someone did come in to edit the article and remove the hate speech and promotional-ish tones, yet it was reverted back to the prior version before the IP editor tried again and succeeded with the changes. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:38, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Absent any evidence of in-depth coverage of the person themselves, bar a large amount of vague waves at Google hits, I don't think it's possible to close this in any other way. Indeed, one of the Keep comments directly on the Hindu and NYT sources, one of which was written by the subject themselves and the other is the very definition of "passing mention". No doubt this will go to DRV; you don't need to notify me. Black Kite (talk) 17:00, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Achal Prabhala[edit]

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Despite the assertions made in the prior AfD for this article in 2011 (the overall quality of which I am quite unimpressed by), this "researcher, activist and writer" does not meet the requirements of WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:AUTHOR or WP:NACADEMICS. Being a member of the WMF's Advisory Board does not confer notability. — Scott • talk 23:37, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Confer" means "bestow", and wp:notability is not bestowed.  "<fill in the blank here> does not confer notability" is a truism.  Unscintillating (talk) 13:18, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The article has many poor sources that should be removed (first 20 or so). However there are also many solid sources that establish Achal Prabhala as a notable author per WP:AUTHOR. An author is notable based on reviews and/or articles written about the authors works, per clause #3:
The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
I highlighted "co-creating" because he is one of three editors in most of the books under review or mention. The reviews and/or commentaries of Achal Prabhala's works are as follows:
  1. Mail & Guardian (Lagos), July 2006
  2. New York Times, February 2008
  3. The New Age, March 2011
  4. New York Times, August 2011
  5. Sunday Guardian, August 2011
  6. Sunday Guardian, November 2011
  7. Sakal Times, November 2011
  8. The Hindu, December 2011
  9. Bidoun, 2012
  10. The Hindu, 2012
  11. Free Press Journal, 2012
  12. Afternoon DC, February 2012
  13. Live Mint (Wall Street Journal), March 2012
  14. New Indian Express, March 2012
  15. The Hindu, March 2012
  16. The Sunday Guardian, April 2012
  17. DNA India, April 2012
  18. Mid Day, May 2012
  19. The Hindu, July 2012
  20. Live Mint (Wall Street Journal), December 2012
  21. The Book Review (India), January 2013
  22. IP Watch, October 2013
This is 22 sources though there are some more. I don't believe adding more will help since we usually are OK with 4 or 5 sources - either the sources count or not. If they are ignored than a rules-based reason would need to be given for discarding AUTHOR clause #3 and/or these sources. -- GreenC 05:56, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's a very nice selective reading of WP:AUTHOR, but you skipped over the key phrase a significant or well-known work. This anthology he co-edited may well have received several reviews, but it is neither significant nor well-known, as a brief visit to Google will demonstrate. — Scott • talk 10:34, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Actually this is how the rule is always applied in AfD, it's not "selective" it's standard. The "significant and well-known" is of course evidenced by the existence of the reviews, how else could it be, we determine notability by the existence of the sources, of which this has many. The alternative is we give our personal opinion, and of course that will get nowhere since it's completely nonobjective and biased by the desired outcome of the AfD. You can't just ignore all these reliable secondary sources that have paid attention to this author's works. -- GreenC 17:18, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That is absolutely not what "significant and well-known" means. "How else could it be"? How about - frequently referenced in other volumes? The subject of literary replies or analyses? Stated as inspiration for subsequent works by different authors? Frequent occurrence as a topic of discussion by non-specialist readers? You've got none of that. Just a few book reviews scattered over the period of less than a year. "Significant and well-known" is Principia Mathematica, The Lord of the Rings, Das Kapital, The Blind Watchmaker, In Search of Lost Time, On the Origin of Species. — Scott • talk 17:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Scott, your argument supports the point: a book is notable when its been the subject of attention by multiple reliable sources, and that's exactly what these sources are. You seem to be cherry picking and setting a high bar saying it must this or that type of source, meanwhile choosing to ignore the sources that exist. It amounts to an WP:IDONTLIKEIT for book reviews, these are reliable sources and that is what counts. -- GreenC 19:22, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No. It's not an "I don't like it" argument. You're still ignoring "a significant and well-known work". Having a dozen book reviews does not convey notability; there is a mandatory requirement, given by the very guideline that you quote, for demonstrable significance of the work in question for which the reviews exist. That is something you can't provide, because this book is neither significant nor well-known. — Scott • talk 19:46, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
They are "well known" as evidenced by "a dozen" TWENTY-TWO sources that discuss them, which BTW is far beyond what most books get. You seem to be ignoring those 22 sources and twisting the rules around in such a way that you personally get to decide what is notable or not based on your personal literary tastes. You set an arbitrary barrier so high that only the likes of JRR Tolkien and Karl Marx are notable - a classic straw man argument and logical fallacy that would exclude 99% of what already exists on Wikipedia. -- GreenC 01:48, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's still not what "well-known" means. Since you seem to have taken exception to my random selection of titles, perhaps you would prefer some examples of well-known books in the English language by Indian authors: The Guide, Rich Like Us, Such a Long Journey, A Suitable Boy, The God of Small Things. That's just fiction; no doubt people familiar with academic literature would be able to provide examples of genuinely well-known non-fiction. Out of your list of sources, I count 11 as reviews of one book (the Quest anthology). 11 reviews does not make a work "well-known". When you put the title of a well-known book into Google, search results for it do not start puttering out on the second page. By the way, the 2008 piece in the NYT is a blog post that says "Prabhala, (whom I’ve known for years)..." - immediately disqualifying it as an independent source. — Scott • talk 10:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently "well known" is whatever you have decided it to mean. And since you want this article deleted, you have set the bar high enough to keep the article out. Rather we use the existence of multiple reliable sources to determine notability, it's the only fair and objective way to do it. -- GreenC 16:55, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well-known is a common English phrase that bears no relation whatsoever to the weak statement that you're attempting to distort it into. If having a dozen reviews made a book well-known, we would have thousands more article about books and their authors than we do today. — Scott • talk 17:36, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Having 22 sources is extremely unusual in literary AfD cases, that is why I vote strong Keep, most authors don't have this kind of coverage. You've set an arbitrary bar for inclusion so high that Wikipedia would struggle to have even a few thousand author articles. Notability is determined by objective information: the sources. That is not "weak", it is only weak if we turn away from objective sources of information. If there were no sources than the next best option is informed opinion, like you are making, but in this case we do have sources, and they should not be ignored. -- GreenC 21:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again, you're misrepresenting the guideline. Quote, again: a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. See there? A work. The criterion is having produced at least one work that is significant or well-known, which has been multiply reviewed. The work that has the most sources from your list is "The Best of Quest". Those sources - I numbered your list - are 5-11, 13-15, 18, & 20. Not 22 sources: 12. Some of them are multiple sources from the same publisher. When you count those together, the grand total of distinct origin sources for that book is: 8. It's not even double figures. Claiming that the book is "significant or well-known" is absurdly far from the truth. — Scott • talk 23:18, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that have little to do with our notability guidelines WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR #3 multiple book reviews. Apparently this person has enemies. -- GreenC 03:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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A biased argument. If you disagree with his views it should not be part of an AfD rationale. See WP:IDONTLIKEIT. -- GreenC 21:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But I didn't say we should delete because his views are wrong. I said we should delete because he is not notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:39, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:AUTHOR #3 and the 22 sources listed above. -- GreenC 03:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:AUTHOR #3 and the 22 sources listed above. -- GreenC 21:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:AUTHOR #3 and the 22 sources listed above. -- GreenC 03:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:AUTHOR #3 and the 22 sources listed above. -- GreenC 03:00, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've already seen it, thanks, but Scott is correct. - Sitush (talk) 08:51, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Such extraordinary claims need extraordinary sources. Let's see them. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

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I filed this AfD on the basis of our policy on notability. I totally reject this SPA's fantasy comment about me and disassociate myself from the entire post. — Scott • talk 12:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE. The Bushranger One ping only 13:43, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Chameleon '92[edit]

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No evidence of any real notability within the context of the Siege of Sarajevo and the Bosnian War. There aren't any real results for Operation Chameleon '92 on Google Books, which leads me to believe that a deletion (or merger with Siege of Sarajevo) is best. 23 editor (talk) 22:49, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Redirect to Microsoft Home#Reference & Exploration software; clear consensus. (non-admin closure)  Gong show 07:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Microsoft Dinosaurs[edit]

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No evidence it is notable. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 03:04, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 08:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

National libertarianism[edit]

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A totally unsourced article. No evidence that this is even a real subject; could be original research. Even if it is a real subject, there is no evidence that it is notable. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 02:26, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I forgot.Rick Norwood (talk) 12:56, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Incubate. There seems to be a consensus to delete, on notability grounds. But, two three editors suggested this be incubated, as it's a current event and reliable sources may appear in the next few months. This seems like a reasonable compromise, so moving this to Draft:Centenary of Military Aviation 2014 Air Show. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:22, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Centenary of Military Aviation 2014 Air Show[edit]

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While there has been publicity about this one-off air show, it hasn't actually taken place yet and it does not meet the WP:GNG. I would support a merge to RAAF Williams or other target, pending any future indications of Notability YSSYguy (talk) 01:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

With all respect, has anyone looked for secondary sources so far? A quick and simple google search for "Centenary of Military Aviation" brought not only the "primary" website (www.airforce.gov.au › airforce.gov.au) but also a few news websites (e.g.: ABC Online, www.australianflying.com.au › news ) and others that highlight the relevance of this celebration (e.g.: www.visitvictoria.com ). So the fact that the editor who created the article hasn't yet provided secondary sources doesn't mean they don't (or won't) exist. Regards, DPdH (talk) 01:02, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Defence has received huge interest from MSM the week prior to CMA14 which will result in a flood of third party material being published shortly Hpeterswald (talk) 09:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back. Sources supporting this statement? What's MSM please? Thanks,DPdH (talk) 14:53, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose You're assuming that this year's topic is the Centenary of RAAF; and the airshow is not every year. This is a specific event to celebrate the Centennary - will look for supporting evidence. Regards, DPdH (talk) 10:13, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The RAAF holds a large airshow each year, rotating among its bases. The 2013 show was at Amberley in Queensland, 2012's was at Pearce in WA. YSSYguy (talk) 21:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The Centenary at Point Cook allows the RAAF to display many of the inservice and historic aircraft used over its history and in storage at the RAAF Museum Hangers not available at other bases Hpeterswald (talk) 09:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This airshow may well "allow" the RAAF Museum to open the storage hangars, but will it open the storage hangars? Secondly, does the absence of a Centenary last year or next year forbid the RAAF Museum opening the storage hangars during any of the many annual public events held there? YSSYguy (talk) 23:14, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please explain why is not notable? Also if the current article is lacking, maybe it should be improved rather than deleted? For example, looking for secondary sources. Regards,DPdH (talk) 10:20, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Notability has not been established with the sources provided:
  • 1. ^ The Australian Flying Corps. AWM. Retrieved 6 February 2014. - This source does not once mention the subject of the article, which is the airshow celebrating the centenary of the Ausralian Flying Corps, not the Corps itself which already has an article. It merely provides context and verification of a date.
  • 2.^ "Project 2014".[32]. Retrieved 6 February 2014. - The only mention of the subject of the article in this source - which paraphrases a press release which is also used as a source - is a speculative quote ("is expected to be one of the major drawcards for the centenary of military aviation Air Pageant, at the RAAF Museum Point Cook, on 1st and 2nd March, 2014") which is indicative but not absolute confirmation.
  • ^3. "Bristol Boxkite replica flight testing". [33]. Retrieved 6 February 2014. - This is a press release published by the Defence Media Organisation, an agency of the Department of Defence who are the organizer of the event.
None of the above present a case which would stand up to a challenge under WP:N and furthermore the focus and scope of the article appears to be a brief summary of the history of the Australian Flying Corps, and a separate though related project to construct a replica aircraft for the centenary of said organization. The only actual information about the airshow is unsourced speculation about aircraft which may attend lifted from a press release which carries the caveat "All aircraft and displays are subject to operational requirements, weather and aircraft availability and may change." In my opinion improving this article when there is nothing new here that is supported by independent sources or is not already covered or able to be included in an existing article does not seem necessary. Dfadden (talk) 11:59, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying. Good point indeed. Regards, DPdH (talk) 13:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Defence has received huge interest from MSM the week prior to CMA14 which will result in a flood of third party material being published shortly Hpeterswald (talk) 09:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I Support in principle retaining and improving the article, however the IFR2013 can't be compared "like for like" with the RAAF AFC Centenary event. However there are several articles related to "Fleet Reviews" that support existence of the IFR wikiarticle. Regards, DPdH (talk) 10:20, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, please read WP:OTHERSTUFF - the existence of one article is not a reason to keep another. At any rate, the Fleet Review was shown live on television, which provided a big dose of "significant coverage". As for the replicas, they are being constructed to mark the Centenary, not for the air show; and notability is not transferrable from the Centenary itself or the aircraft to the show. It is actually quite difficult to find any mention of the B.E. 2 at all, while the RAAF issued a media release last year announcing the Boxkite's first flight and a couple of media parroted it; so that doesn't help the case for notability anyway. YSSYguy (talk) 21:56, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree with this particular argument. Regards, DPdH (talk) 10:20, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
DPdH, I can't tell if you are for keeping the article or deleting, I find your statements contradictory, as my argument above is in support of deletion. Would you mind clarifying? Cheers. YSSYguy (talk) 21:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, didn't want to create confusion. I agree with your argument above, not wit the deletion of the article. Will make my position explicit. Cheers, DPdH (talk) 08:33, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
MSM to publish third party material on replicas constructed and other aspects of the Centenary at Point Cook Hpeterswald (talk) 09:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If I may make a small correction and I mean you no disrespect in doing so - if the article were to be retained as is your preference, the focus should be on the centenary of the Australian Flying Corps or Australian military aviation in general. The RAAF as a dedicated arm of the Australian Defence Force did not come into existence until 1921, prior to then military aviation was a responsibility of the Army. It may sound like I am being pedantic, but I assure you for many people it is an important distinction to make and to convey otherwise would be historically inaccurate and misleading. Regards, Dfadden (talk) 13:53, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying, that's why the celebration is about the "Centenary of Military Aviation", I didn't choose the right words. The new focus should be on the centenary of Australian military aviation in general. Regards, DPdH (talk) 00:49, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If this article is really about, or ought to be about, the centenary itself, then it is better handled within the context of the Australian Flying Corps. Except that that article already contains what tiny content is worth preserving here. And as to the idea that we should retain every article on an upcoming event in the hopes that maybe, just maybe, sufficient coverage to demonstrate notability will emerge in its wake...it would mean that WP needs to retain every article on every upcoming event, something far beyond the scope of this encyclopedia and something that would reduce the utility of WP as an encyclopedia. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 01:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I disagree. That the article is now poorly written doesn't mean that is not worth improving and keeping. I listed some secondary sources in the article's talk page that can be used to improve it. And we need to remember what Wikipedia Guidelines recommend about rushing to delete an article:

... . As there is no deadline, it is recommended to delay the nomination for a few days to avoid the deletion debate dealing with a moving target and to allow time for a clearer picture of the notability of the event to emerge, which may make a deletion nomination unnecessary. Deletion discussions while events are still hot news items rarely result in consensus to delete. There may be alternatives to deletion, such as merging or reworking the article so that it conforms with policy, ...

which we should consider. Regards, DPdH (talk) 01:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Defence has received huge interest from MSM the week prior to CMA14Hpeterswald (talk) 09:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I fully agree that the Centenary itself is worthy of mentioning, the argument is over whether the air show is worth a stand-alone article. The RAAF Williams article could easily have a paragraph or two about the Centenary, with a couple of sentences stating "an air show was held to celebrate the centenary and there were lots of aircraft there including a replica Bristol Boxkite"; beyond that, what else needs to be recorded about the show in an encyclopaedia? YSSYguy (talk) 02:55, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So... there is agreement around the notability of the centenary, and I have to concur that the airshow per se doesn't seem to be so notable. Hence my proposal: let's modify the article so it focuses on the centenary rather than the airshow. I also agree that there should be reference to the centenary in related wikiarticles, at least in the "RAAF Williams' and the "Australian Flying Corps" ones. Does this sounds acceptable, as an alternative to deletion? Regards, DPdH (talk) 12:22, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly not. There is essentially zero worthwhile content or sourcing to justify a freestanding article on this topic. Looking around for that rare anniversary where the anniversary itself is sufficiently notable, I see that even the Diamond Jubilee of Queen Victoria doesn't rate its own article. The absence of substantial, secondary, reliable sourcing for this article, either as an event or a commemoration, mandates its removal. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 14:03, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I second that, "worthy of mentioning" is a fair bit short of "merits its own article". YSSYguy (talk) 23:33, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
However, the criteria on "rare anniversaries" seems not to be applied uniformly, as the articles Centenary of Western Australia and Argentina Centennial do exist by themselves. The absence of an article on the Diamond Jubilee of Queen Victoria doesn't mean that it don't merit its own, only that has not yet been written; the existence of an article about the Silver Jubilee of Elizabeth II article supports this point. As for the lack of content, it's just a matter of looking for secondary sources (I've found some) and adding the information. Nothing "mandates" removal of this article, there are other options, as per the guidelines that I've quoted above. Regards, DPdH (talk) 00:54, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for proposing another alternative. How is this incubation done, and by whom? Additionally, I didn't perceive the article as promotional, can you please clarify this point for me? So I would know what to look for in these cases. Regards, DPdH (talk) 05:39, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • See WP:Drafts in the sections "Incubation" and "Preparing drafts".  The process was recently moved from WP:AI.  Unscintillating (talk) 14:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The promotion isn't that focused, especially since the date of the event isn't in the article, but IMO that is what this article represents.  In twenty years, what interest will the world at large have in the pre-event stage?  Unscintillating (talk) 14:49, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Give me a break, this is hardly the sort of "breaking news event" addressed by WP:RAPID. These keep votes based on the rationale "let's wait, maybe something will crop up" simply emphasize the existing lack of substantial secondary coverage from reliable sources. If we want to expand WP's scope beyond being an encyclopedia to also host notices for any event that any editor wants to promote, then we should first change current policy. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 01:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As it stands cites are probably insufficient to warrant retention. Original editor has indicated third party cites are coming. Think it only fair to assume goodfaith and allow him/her to compile. Then assessments can be made with all the facts, rather than crystal balling on what my or may not happen. Hence my suggestion of waiting for the magazines to complete a cycle. By that stage it will be reasonable to assume there is nothing more to come. DCB1927 (talk) 02:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds ok except that you haven't explained why the article should remain in mainspace, indexed on Google, serving to promote the future event, without knowing that the event will or will not take place, when the article could be in draftspace.  Unscintillating (talk) 03:03, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point, perhaps incubation would be a better solution. DCB1927 (talk) 08:27, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I support the proposal of incubating in draftspace rather than mainspace, as I wasn't aware of this alternative when the discussion started. Should this be done when the AfD is closed? Regards, DPdH (talk) 09:03, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
As said elsewhere in this AfD, changing the article's topic from the airshow to the centenary may be a better option. Anyway, the event has already happened and it's time for the editor who created the article to work on improving it, ideally incorporating all the feedback generated from this discussion. Regards, DPdH (talk) 13:06, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The actually "centenary" appears to be the cententary of the use of airfield (which was bought in 1912!) so probably difficult to make an article, neither the AFC nor the RAAF article make any mention of a happening in March 1914, in fact the source used in the article doesnt mention a particular event either, all a bit vague. It could be mentioned in the airfield article but interesting that a significant airfield has not have an article either! MilborneOne (talk) 15:48, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For the airfield article see RAAF Base Williams, although I believe at some point this article was merged when the RAAF consolidatated ops Point Cook and Laverton into one base and so the focus isn't as clear as it could be. Also, the AFC page is lacking some history, and I still believe this article should be merged into that one to complete the missing pieces. Dfadden (talk) 19:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Resubmitting this article to AfD. Previous nomination generated no discussion. Article subject is not notable. A Google search turned up multiple pages of promotional hits. Asserted awards are trivial. Sources fail WP:RS. Ad Orientem (talk) 01:14, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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