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July 30[edit]

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The result of the debate was KEEP. Splash 16:33, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Frente Civico[edit]

Poorly written propaganda. It should be noted also that the author has defaced Costco and other oarticles in order to make a point about evil corporations. Title translates to civic front, not notable. Delete drini ☎ 00:19, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was speedy deleted. – Alphax τεχ 01:09, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Seek n Destroy[edit]

Cracking group article with no claim to notability and an article with no content except a link: http://snd.crackz.ws Mmmbeer 00:43, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 11:22, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

John Lilburne Research Institute[edit]

This is the second VfD for this article. As shown below, the first time there was twice as many votes to delete, but it was kept. This article is a vanity/soapbox/original research by User:MPLX. The only Google references to this organization are from Wikipedia or Wikipedia mirrors. The same user who did this article also created a series of questionable articles and inserted original research on several more. The other articles by this person that are currently on VfD are:

Detailed info can be found on the various talk and VfD pages. --JW1805 00:50, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I (MPLX) left Wikipedia some months ago after running into the onslaught of the ill-informed Christian right wing. Although I am not monitoring Wikipedia and do not have any intention of rejoining Wikipedia due to the small cabal of noisy and ill-informed (as opposed to uninformed) people who love deleting stuff, I have been pressed to add this comment due to the sudden interest in deleting a few of the articles that I contributed to. (I have written about many topics.)
It would appear that someone has it their head to sever any ties between John Lilburne and the foundation of American law. This led to a constant barrage of negative comments on the Hugo Black article. Now I see that the idea is to claim that "Carolana" is a misspelling of "Carolina" and to go further and claim that the article about Carolana is a hoax. To this end both Dr. Kenneth Brown of the University of Houston and Dr. Eric Gilder of the University of Sibiu have also been smeared as being not noteworthy and at worst as the creators of vanity and even hoax articles. Such rants by the few lunatics who have gained a noisy control over Wikipedia are one reason why I left Wikipedia and why Wikipedia is in danger of becoming the refuge of right-wing idiots.
It would seem that a handful of people are trolling with the intent to delete anything that they may disagree with. I noticed the same approach was used on the subject of copyright law within articles dealing with the subject of recorded music and broadcasting which I also contributed to. Now I see that all broadcasts by 4FWS have been tagged as not worthy because they were on "pirate" radio stations - even though several were on licensed stations. However, everything is being smeared and tarnished to make it appear that everything and anything that I contributed to was either a hoax, a work of vanity or unnoteworthy. I also created the history of the development of the jet fighter, but I have not as yet (and probably won't bother) checked to see if those entries are also being targeted.
It is unfortunate to say the least because I thought that Wikipedia had merit, but when I discovered that a mere handful of dedicated zealots could take it over and put their own stamp of ideological approval on it - I left.
Before making more claims that Carolana never existed I would suggest that you perform a little serious research. Unfortunately the zealots have decided that they are a jack of all subjects (and master of none), and because they have never heard something before it means that the subject is either a hoax or a vanity creation by someone else. How pathetic for Wikipedia!

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The result of the debate was keep (no consensus; however, article has already been merged and redirected). Mindspillage (spill yours?) 04:42, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

John Lilburne Research Institute[edit]

I am nominating this vanity page for deletion because I strongly suspect that it violates several Wikipedia policies, especially:

A Google search for this so-called institute brings up only 501 hits.

The user who created this page has been attempting to link several pages (like Miranda v. Arizona) to this page when such links, if any, should link to John Lilburne. Furthermore, as I have already argued at great length on the John Lilburne talk page, Lilburne's impact on modern law may well be of historical importance, but in terms of how modern American criminal law is practiced at present, his impact is minimal when compared to giants like Blackstone, Story, and Ely.

--Coolcaesar 18:41, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No, I'm not kidding. Typing in John Lilburne Research Institute into Google brings back only 501 hits, and putting quotes around that (in order to search on the phrase) returns only 9 hits (which all appear to be Wikipedia content, either direct from WP or mirrored). Why the heck should Wikipedia have a page on an institute that obscure? --Coolcaesar 19:24, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ah, I see what you mean now! Still, I think some reworking could result in this being a good useful article. The JPS 20:16, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page. The result of the debate was No Consensus default to Keep. I count 33 Keep, 28 Delete, and 3 Merge (counting "rename" as a vote to keep, since we can't delete & rename), which is roughly 44% Delete, 51% Keep, 5% merge; soundly No Consensus. Essjay · Talk 01:18, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Israeli terrorism[edit]

Pardon me for having to edit this already existant VfD page, I do not happen to know how to archive this previous VfD page. I bring this page to a VfD delete for a variety of reasons:

  1. I feel it is inherently biased
  2. A page of this manner already exists dealing with Israeli state terrorism and this should be merged there AT THE MOST
  3. This page could easily be renamed Jewish Terrorism as that it what it deals with and such a page is inherently biased as it attacks Jews
  4. This page has been heavily edited by known anti-Semitic and anti-Caucasian racists [personal attack removed] ... and despite popular concensus in the real world that accusations against Israel are laughable, these claims have been allowed to remain on Wikipedia
  5. The last time it was brought to VfD vote, there was not really a true concensus met and there should be a revote. --ProudWHITEIsraeli 00:50, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PLEASE NOTE: User:ProudWHITEIsraeli/User:TelAvivKid is a strawman sockpuppet (see the link for further details of what that is). His intent, aside from making Jews and Israelis look bad, is to ensure that this VfD fails. Jayjg (talk) 05:20, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is the parenthetical abuse and cheerleading really necessary TelAvivKid (ProudWHITEIsraeli), or could we please have a fair an civil vote in the spirit of Wikipedia?

--LouieS 16:04, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Given the lack of consensus, I am beginning to think that the title is definitely POV. I would support renaming to "Alleged Israeli state terrorism", or merging with State Terrorism, regardless I think there should be a link to this information from Israel.
MisterSheik 23:27, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Which part is original research? :) MisterSheik 23:46, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PLEASE NOTE: User:ProudWHITEIsraeli/User:TelAvivKid is a strawman sockpuppet (see the link for further details of what that is). His intent, aside from making Jews and Israelis look bad, is to ensure that this VfD fails. Jayjg (talk) 05:20, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's the kind of thing User:Alberuni would do, who's also from Atlanta, Georgia. It must have killed him to make all those spelling mistakes on purpose. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:26, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
Er, why would he start it in the first place if he wanted it to fail? - ulayiti (talk) 11:04, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
For a laugh. And by being obnoxious, he's hoping people will vote for the article as a vote against him. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:16, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
Is there any specific user whose sockpuppet he is accused of being? I'll admit to not being too familiar with the "whites and Jews unite" racial supremacist theory, but then again this is the internets, to paraphrase a quote. --TJive 21:27, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, it's probably banned user Alberuni, who likes nothing better than to cause trouble for Israel and Jews in general. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:37, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
  • I assumed that it was just an under-educated Israeli adolescent who doesn't realize how dumb he comes off claiming to be a proud "White" when in many places in the world Jews aren't consider "white" or "caucasian" (an inherent misnomer.) Sadly, Israelis can be prejudicial and racist against their own; within Israel there's still residual devisiveness between Ashkanazim (European Jews) and Sefardim (generally, non-European Jews), although that's disappearing in favor of prejudice against "new" immigrants from former Soviet states and (particularly) those from Ethiopia (Falasha). Whatever this user's personal racist beliefs, they should not form the reason to vote for/against deletion. The article should be judged on its own merits, or lack thereof. (However, I would point out to TelAvivKid that arguing about others' votes makes his/her case unsympathetic.) --LeFlyman 17:52, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, he wanted you to assume it was an "under-educated Israeli adolescent". In fact, it was a strawman sockpuppet of an American Muslim, and his personal racist beliefs are about Jews. Jayjg (talk) 06:46, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is there any proof that it's an American Muslim or are you just blaming people at random?Heraclius 15:07, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
There are no "fallacies" in casual discussions. This is not a debate (thank God). But the only evidence you have for him being an American Muslim is that the behavior seems like that of User:Alberuni. Looking at his page, I see no evidence of him being an American Muslim.Heraclius 15:50, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You see no evidence that Alberuni was an American Muslim? Whatever. Jayjg (talk) 17:15, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I think what's confusing to the previous commenter (and myself) is the claim that TelAvivKid/ProudWhiteIsraeli is the same person as the banned user, Alberuni. Is there any actual evidence, or just supposition (as stated above, that it's "probably" him) ? --LeFlyman 18:52, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have been following it, and it looks like pure conjecture to me that TelAvivKid is in any way firectly related to Alberuni; unless there is something we arent being told. --LouieS 20:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Heraclius and LouieS may have started editing after Alberuni's reign of terror. He was a highly disruptive editor who was running over a dozen sock puppets at one point, deeply anti-Semitic, racist, and abusive. Those on the receiving end of it became familiar with his trademarks, which I won't describe here, but they're evident in this user. If it's not Alberuni, the user has been invited to get in touch to discuss the issue, and I'm sure s/he'll do that if there's been any unfairness. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:34, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. If there are POV problems, try the edit button. Shem(talk) 02:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The murder of Yitzhak Rabin was an assassination by a politically extreme individual, not a terrorist action by an entire society. There is a vast difference, and claiming this as proof of supposed "Israeli Terrorism" is the logical fallacy known as "guilt by association" -- as well as false premise. Oh and referencing an ancestor as Jewish as somehow relevant to this matter is a form of "Special pleading". --LeFlyman 04:36, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • My comment is unrelated to the one above it.Heraclius 03:20, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • The juxtaposition of Israeli and Arab murderers seems to imply that there are no Arab Israelis, whereas there are over 1,100,000, around a fifth of the population. SlimVirgin <fontcolor="Purple">(talk) 05:20, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
I agree that the word "Palestinian" would be better, but I wanted to preserve the integrity of the quote.Heraclius 16:46, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • While I agree with Slim and Jayig; I think its worht noting that perhaps this article is talking about the wrong things. You have to look at the fact that Israel in the not so didtant past sanctioned torture. Beond that, Israeli Tarrorim has a phenomenon is worht mention; that is simply because it exsists in a good portion of people's minds in our world, in needs to be adressed. I think this page addresses it in entirely the worng way. Rahter we should be looking at how and why people came to look at Israeli actions as terrorism in the first place, who those people are and why they came to their conclusions. --LouieS 14:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Louie, fairies exist in the minds of lots of people in the world, but that doesn't make them real. Our policies say we should cite the views of published majority- and significant-minority opinion (not tiny-minority opinion). When I last looked, not a single source was cited, so the article as it stands violates our content policies, and were it to be cleaned up to be in accordance with them, much of its current content would have to be deleted. The point is that it's unfair to single Israel out when there's no article on British terrorism, French terrorism, Italian terrorism, and so on. SlimVirgin (talk) 16:28, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
  • I am not a proponent of the singling out either. I think the solution here is to extend the information relating to other examples of state terrorism. Surely, this would help put things into perspective. This can start by extending the country sections of the State terrorism article -- if a country's section becomes large, a new article should be created. I think the "don't single anyone out" argument should always be dealt with by extending the information that we represent rather than removing information. Should we not have created an article on Windows until we have Linux? The detractors can add balance by adding information rather than removing it.
Regarding sources, we already have a number of sources at the bottom of the page and in the text. I think that regardless of your viewpoint, the notability of the article is evident given the sources and the surrounding debate. We have an article on Sasquatch -- doesn't mean he exists :). MisterSheik 17:19, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was redirect to Electric Universe concept. – Alphax τεχ 01:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cosmic circuit[edit]

This already exists under Electric Universe concept, and there's no point in forking it here. I've already copy-edited the version there (which is essentially identical, otherwise). I further suspect that this is mere pseudoscience without any notability outside of the already-contentious Electric Universe concept. Therefore, this should be deleted or a redirect should point to Electric Universe concept if it's deemed important enough. —HorsePunchKid→龜 00:50, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 11:37, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Ghastly[edit]

Ghastly has a webcomic, a family, and razzes the webcomic community. He's far below the bar for notability. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 07:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why delete it? I personally found the article useful for doing research on web comics. It is already here, so there is no effort involved in leaving it.

(Unsigned comment from User:67.84.218.171 ) drini ☎ 23:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, useful, and well-written.

(Unsigned vote by User:Toxicity01 ) drini ☎ 23:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
user:Toxicity01 didn't write it, he/she merely added a photo caption and categories. user:Fallout_boy
I confess, I didn't check every diff to see who did what. I just recognized the names from seeing the history. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:24, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I propose you look again. The IP 67.84.218.171 does not appear in the history for Ghastly. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 23:57, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, even if you hate the guy you can't deny the fact that he has contributed a lot to the world of webcomics and his work is very popular. There are articles on webcomic artists with lesser claim to fame. I'm uncertain why this one should be singled out unless it is because of the offense associated with his work.

Unsigned comment from (User:65.92.54.177) drini ☎ 23:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Hey, I know Ghastly, and he's a nice guy, if a bit of a webcomic community rabblerouser. He's just not really notable, and info about his life isn't encyclopedic. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 01:10, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Ghastly isn't a Wikipedia user; this seems to have been written by a pair of Ghastly's Ghastly Comic fans. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 01:10, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Haha! I stand corrected. --best, kevin ···Kzollman | Talk··· 08:57, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
  • He hasn't done anything of note beyond the webcomic. Why does he need an article of his own, rather than just a peripheral mention in the webcomic's article? - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 02:47, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, Abraham Lincoln didn't do much notable besides being President, but for some reason, we're curious about his biography anyway. I think that people who do notable things become notable themselves. Not sure that applies here, though. --malathion talk 02:58, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Horrendously bad analogy. Minor webcomics and influential Presidential terms aren't even close. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 03:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • That was actully a very accurate analogy, I'll have to steal it (but replace Lincoln with JFK). user:Fallout_boy
  • Rodney Caston hasn't done anything of note beside being part of Megatokyo for the first two years. No one's ever contested him having an article. And yes, while I do appreciate that MT is much more popular than GGC, that doesn't change the fact that GGC is still quite well-known and popular as well. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 10:54, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, thanks for pointing that one out. There's no info there that isn't in Megatokyo, and Rodney Caston hasn't done anything notable since. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 21:35, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • My point was that Ghastly is far from being the only article about a person who's only been involved in one notable thing. We have plenty of those articles, but that doesn't mean they should be deleted. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 21:50, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 11:25, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

ToRAM[edit]

Delete. The article admits it is a neologism, used only "by Damn Small Linux and Feather Linux users". Google returns about 18,000 hits, but less than 1,000 seem to be Linux-related. — Bcat (talk • email) 01:30, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep. – Alphax τεχ 01:37, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Colwyn Jestyn John Philipps, 3rd Viscount St Davids[edit]

Genealogical record. Denni☯ 01:43, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was speedy deleted. – Alphax τεχ 01:37, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

1736 in Canada[edit]

This page has no actual content. freestylefrappe 01:42, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was sp as per CSD G4: repost. --M@thwiz2020 21:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1736 in Canada[edit]

No content - just a template. --M@thwiz2020 21:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was keep. – Alphax τεχ 01:50, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Programming in the large[edit]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 11:42, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Project Andria[edit]

Nonnotable beginning website. — 12.207.151.144 8 July 2005 15:49 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was COPYVIO. Splash 16:35, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Easykart[edit]

Product promotion. Denni☯ 02:05, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 11:44, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Homersensual[edit]

Neologism. No room for expansion. Mmmbeer 02:12, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Merge. Essjay · Talk 20:34, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Ernest Strepfinger[edit]

Non-notable cartoon character. (Unless you want to argue that cartoon characters are inherently notable.) Denni☯ 02:13, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 11:45, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Carnuba[edit]

Hoax. Unless someone can actually point out an island called Carnuba. Not to mention they claim discovery in "950 by the Viking hero Egil Skallagrimsson".Mmmbeer 02:25, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 11:48, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

The Fresh Princes[edit]

Non-notable band. Joyous (talk) 02:26, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

CanadianCaesar 02:53, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I would bet that the Fresh Princes have no idea this exists. There were quite a few mistakes in this article because they are basically about as popular today as Lung Leg. It might actually be flattering to them. It really is amazing how much they were able to contribute when they were under the Girls title. In any case, the "sockpuppets" you mention are a result of confusion in using the convoluted voting system.

No one here likes The Fresh Princes? This is ridiculous! Why does everyone care so much anyway? Also, I recall that one of the people who voted against this article wrote a series on KISS. WHAT IS THE EXCUSE? (Unsigned comment by 24.184.172.80 (talk · contribs))

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The result of the debate was DELETE & REDIRECT. Essjay · Talk 11:50, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Batman 2[edit]

I don't want to nominate this. I like Batman. I like the Joker. I like Batman Begins. But this is speculation at this point; the Batman Begins article covers this, and while I would redirect, this can just as easily refer to Batman Returns. CanadianCaesar 02:26, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 11:52, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Le flange du mal[edit]

8. An article about a real band that does not assert that band's importance or significance. Denni☯ 02:29, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 11:54, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Bulletproof algorithm[edit]

Neologism with self-evident meaning. The term is allegedly "often applied", but according to Google only in this article and Wikipedia mirrors. The extra commentary about robustness can easily be incorporated into Algorithm without inventing a term for it. Fredrik | talk 02:31, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 11:56, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Don Currie[edit]

Vanity. --malathion talk 02:33, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 12:14, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Sobbi[edit]

Website that doesn't seem to be active yet, seems to indicate Sept 2005 as a start date. Edging into speedy territory Rx StrangeLove 02:39, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 12:15, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Readersheds[edit]

Delete. Vanity post about a non-notable website where users can share pictures of their sheds. -- BD2412 talk 02:42, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. Essjay · Talk 12:16, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Kenneth Dinkins II[edit]

An impressive 0 googles for his full name. I did find his homepage: It was down, and had been hosted on Homestead. humblefool® 02:45, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was

Www.sinhalajukebox.org[edit]

Link spam. --malathion talk 02:52, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETE. Essjay · Talk 07:07, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Sinhalajukebox[edit]

Link spam. NN. Note same contributor as another above Mmmbeer 03:00, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Speedy Redirected by Lupin. Closing. Essjay · Talk 12:18, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Wilshire Associates[edit]

Spam, seven words total. Rx StrangeLove 02:59, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:20, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Windows 7[edit]

WP:ISNOT a crystal ball. --malathion talk 03:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:21, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Scott Thomas Waddell[edit]

Another 0 hits on Google for full name, 1 for the company. humblefool® 03:05, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:23, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Chunitana[edit]

non-notable. Chunitana gets 12 googles. person's name gets 1 (for website). RJFJR 03:09, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 00:23, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Ralph Woodrow[edit]

Some sort of screed/rant/POV nonsense. And I used my 700th mainspace edit for this? humblefool® 03:15, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Votes[edit]

Further comment: Notice how the entry is named aafer the author, yet the text is all about the theories in the book. So, as an entry "about the author" it's a very poor one. And about the theory, there's a criteria in the official wikipedia policy at WP:NOTthat states:
Primary (original) research such as proposing theories and solutions...
which I think that fit 100% into this case. And since it goes agains official policy, it should even bee speedied. drini ☎ 06:02, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

This topic should not be deleted.

The subject matter is religion.

Is Humblefool? an editor of this type of topic?

There are a series of articles that suggest that

Christianity comes from pagan origins.

  • Such articles are all over the internet and on Wikipedia as well.

The debates on this topic are widespread and involve both Christians
(interdenominationally) as well as 'non'believers

Mr. Woodrow originally wrote a book - AGREEING that there are pagan roots to Christianity. It was very popular.

It (his book) took many of its assumptions from earlier works by Alexander Hislop (Wikipedia) as well as his theories regarding The Two Babylons (Wikipedia)

The Wikipedia articles on the above -2- subjects LIST Mr. Woodrow as someone who has argued AGAINST these points of view.

THE ARTICLE IN QUESTION GIVES MR WOODROWS point of view as to why he found his own earlier work, as well as the work of Alexander Hislop, to be fraudulent and in error.

Any reader of this particular subject would have great interest in understanding that Christianity, while it is accused of being from pagan origions, is NOT in fact .... and that the historical facts do not support such a claim. Mr. Woodrow, and his book REFUTE these claims.

ONE OF ITS VERY PROPONENTS (Woodrow) is now one of its critics.

What is the purpose of Wikipedia if not to inform the reader

to give them insight into each side of a subject and a broader understanding of the topic.


Wikipedia already LISTS a LINK to RALPH WOODROWS nameas being a critic of the Hislop - Two Babylons theory .

The LEAST Wikipedia could offer its readers is what Mr Ralph Woodrows actual thoughts on the matter are!

Micheal@filecastle.com

(Previous section added unsignedly by User:M-filecastle) drini ☎ 05:57, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also: the addition of this section was user's first edit: M-filecastle (talk · contribs)

Much of what is in the original articles by Alexander Hislop
(Two Babylons) are unsubstantiated and are no more than his opinion.
Apparently Alexander Hislops saving grace (here) is that he is long dead.

Mr Woodrow is a known critic (and one-time exponent)
of those very same 'opinions'.

His POV or 'opinion' is RELEVANT for that very reason.
And although some may quible with his syntax or 'phrase-ology' ...
I would argue that the very VALUE of his words are because of JUST THAT
because they ARE his words ...

When other peoples thoughts and ideas are recorded here -
is it incumbent upon the gallery to edit their thoughts ?


Were there an article on Princess Dianna's criticism of the press (here)
- would we correct her statements for grammer or use of analogy?

In an article on the Pope, (here) would we edit his remarks
so as to reflect the Protestant view?

The views expressed are those of Mr Woodrow -
any reader of such a text link would understand FROM HIS WORDS
that what they were reading WAS HIS VIEW ...

Isn't that the point ?

Michael@filecastle.com

(Previous section added unsignedly by User:M-filecastle drini ☎ 05:57, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:25, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Liadi Fuertes[edit]

Does not fit Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion of biographies. Fails the Wikipedia:Google test completely, no matches. I also believe the information to be a hoax - it says he built a bridge in Alabama, won the Nobel Peace Prize for his research on stomach ulcers, helped build the atom bomb, negotiated with the Nazis, and organized a labor union before going back to Guatemala, all in the space of one year - 1945. I can not find a reference to any of this. Mr. Know-It-All 03:16, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:26, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Pros and cons[edit]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:28, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Fire by friction[edit]

An instruction manual for one of many ways to create fire by friction? Not encyclopedic. Delete. Ken 03:38, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETE. This page was deleted by Denni as a speedy, I am simply closing this entry. Essjay · Talk 07:12, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Cahcahpoopoopeepeeshire[edit]

Speedy delete. Nonsense. Salleman 04:10, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:29, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Gonewireless[edit]

Looks like an advertisement -- has no relevance to Wikipedia Toddself 04:11, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was REDIRECT. The article for merging to does not contain this kind of information on any contestant, so I have not added it for this one either. Splash 16:39, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Kimmi Kappenberg[edit]

Another 'Survivor' contestant. Sigh... Denni☯ 04:32, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:30, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Beam & Astarita[edit]

Ad spam, not notable, about 1000 Google hits but almost all are just web directories DS1953 04:52, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:32, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Sir Havian of Selaren[edit]

Neither Google nor Yahoo comes up with any hits for "Sir Havian". Nor are there any hits for "Henry Wayne" +Havian. The link goes to a blank page. John Barleycorn 05:11, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Sir Havian is a recently created character and his homepage appears to be under construction. I am the author of this article and was involved with the play and the film. These are small and independent efforts. Just because it is not on the internet yet does not mean that it does not exist (Tonywiki 05:22, 30 July 2005 (UTC))[reply]

It does, however, indicate that it is probably not notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. What is "Jared and the Shark"? and how has it managed to have eight episodes, if it doesn't show up in Google or Yahoo? John Barleycorn 05:22, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:35, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

PlanoOnline[edit]

Advert for a nearly content free website that features a forum with a total of 46 posts Rx StrangeLove 05:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was KEEP. Doesn't matter which votes I discard, it's a keep. -Splash 16:42, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The God Who Wasn't There[edit]

Article about a straight-to-video documentary, written as if it were copied directly from a press release. NN, WP is not advertising, etc. Calton | Talk 06:00, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

To the anonymous/unregistered/registered-just-to-vote-on-this-debate voters, I'd like to ask you to calm down, please. If you'll notice, this is part of the normal process by which Wikipedia editors determine whether articles should be deleted. Ranting about how Wikipedia is being Orwellian Rightwing Fascist Bookburning Censors is not helpful. DS 13:13, 1 August 2005 (UTC) (Modified from the original to remove unpleasant implication by DS --Calton | Talk 08:41, August 2, 2005 (UTC))[reply]

now that the copyvio issue has been cleared up, I'm happy to vote keep - even if its mainly to refute the someone's paranoid persecution complex --Doc (?) 11:28, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Above vote by Bigheadface. User's first edit. (Contribs)
  • Above unsigned vote by Aeiouy. User's first edit (Contribs)
  • Above vote by Artofluke. User's first edit. (Contribs

--216.175.79.153 18:19, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Above unsigned vote by EXJZDcsQsUsL. User's first edit. (Contribs)
  • Unsigned vote by Mdcaton. User's first edit (Contribs)
I'd just like to point out that there haven't BEEN any "emotion-based pleas" on the delete side; rather, there was a genuine question about whether the movie was notable, and about whether this was pure promotional fluff taken verbatim from a press release and pasted into an article in an effort to use Wikipedia as an advertising medium (yes it is, and no it isn't, respectively). We also addressed the possibility of the article being a copyright violation, which was resolved when the creator of the material in question pointed out that he was explicitly granting us permission. And there was one anonymous rant from someone who was probably a vandal, babbling about this being a Hippy Commune. This is what Vfd is FOR.


*Keep ➥the Epopt 14:24, 5 August 2005 (UTC) (a real editor)[reply]

Votes made by anon[edit]

  • First of all, nobody has claimed that this article shouldn't exist because it goes against their religious viewpoints. The only vote to delete this article thus far has been because of a question of notability - not one of religious differences. Stop with the censorship card already. It's far from productive. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 23:05, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nobody has claimed that this movie is not factual or though-provoking, or that there is a desire to censor it. The question is one of notability, not accuracy. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 22:43, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Delete & Redirect. Essjay · Talk 12:37, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

The gallows[edit]

Non-notable online group of games. Seems to have fewer than 10 members. Doesn't seem to have done anything particularly notable even within the gaming world. Delete. DES 06:39, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 20:49, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Persian or Farsi?[edit]

Bad title, written as original/opinion article; topic already covered at Persian language, relevant info can be merged there. See also Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/'Iran' or 'Persia'? Which One Should be Called?. Note: the article has also been noted as a possible copyvio, but the source cannot be substantiated. See [10]. In either case, I think this article should be deleted and any relevant info should be merged. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:22, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:39, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Black Ass Tuqe[edit]

Google search for "Black Ass Tuqe" and google search for "Tuqe Shaker" result in no hits. Non-notable.--Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 07:44, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Amusingly, though, 70.118.123.240 does seem to have a lot to contribute to this article and is not the least bit deterred by the VfD notice! —HorsePunchKid→龜 08:20, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:41, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Email Triage and Image:Email Triage.pdf[edit]

No worthwhile content. Simply target times for dealing with email that one particular group have proposed. -- RHaworth 07:54:04, 2005-07-30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:49, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Addingtouch.com[edit]

Unable to verify notability, appears to be an advertisement. --Alan Au 08:15, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was KEEP. Splash 16:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reading spark plugs for racing[edit]

This was transwikied by this VFD vote, then deleted as redundant with this Wikibook. However, it was pointed out on WP:VFU that the Wikibook is outdated, and that this may be encyclopedic after all. So it's now undeleted and procedurally listed here. Abstain. Radiant_>|< 09:11, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:51, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Pawn to queen[edit]

It's not even notable fanfic in the context of Potter fandom, let alone an encyclopedic topic. Smells like vanity/advertising. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete Right.--ThomasK 10:11, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete & Redirect. Essjay · Talk 12:53, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Ghetto superstar[edit]

nn Eclipsed 09:26, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
but now I agree with Redirect as suggsted below. Eclipsed 11:44, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Note: In order to merge material, the original page must be kept as a redirect in order to avoid GFDL violations. (See WP:GVFD) A page cannot be deleted after a merge, as this will remove the page history pertinent to the merged text. As such, I am interpreting this vote as a Delete; if anyone wishes to perform a merge to exopolitics, please let me know and I will undelete. Essjay · Talk 00:50, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Michael Salla[edit]

Delete POV, relevance. May simply be self-promotion or promotion for a website. Some of this may be moved to exopolitics. Marskell 10:14, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I second that. Clever self promotion is still promotion. Article is a semi-serious gateway to a lunatic website, and does not add anything constructive to the wiki. Adidas 20:42, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree that some this needs to be moved to exopolitics. Skawave 20:42, 04 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete FYI mr. Salla was asked to resign his university post cause of his exopolitics stuff--it doesn't appear that he did and not that that should disqualify him from here but I don't think he's really taken seriously and having an encylcopedia introduce him as a "pioneer" in the "field" of exoplotics is a little much. All his "published" stuff on the topic is just his site! Google hits are just copies of the wikipedia entry. 165.21.154.11 17:03, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 12:56, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Technolotics[edit]

Non-notable podcast, vanity, created by user:Dbspin, curiously the same name as the website this links to. Delete or userfy. Flowerparty talk 12:42, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:05, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Elder ages[edit]

Not notable. Alexa rank 88,740, Google hits for "Elder ages" game around 923, not all relevent. Although, compared to this users' other edits ( [11], [12]) this is grand. - brenneman(t)(c) 12:52, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:06, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Grafixology[edit]

Not notable. [13] Does not even claim notability. brenneman(t)(c) 13:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was No Consensus default to Keep. Essjay · Talk 13:09, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Extreme Holly[edit]

Not notable. No IMDB listing, her webpage has Alexa of 68,660, and Google is 37,300. Note that the last number inflated by high profile of pr0n on net, compare to 910,000 for Jenna Jameson. - brenneman(t)(c) 13:49, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shes an internet only model, so the reference to the imdb is meaningless, and her growth in popularity in the last 6 months has been astounding. To compare her to JJ whose been in the industry for years is a nonsense. (Unsigned comment by 195.92.168.164)

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The result of the debate was speedy deleted. – Alphax τεχ 01:56, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Driver[edit]

Not notable. An article about a school principal in Hong Kong. Mmmbeer 13:53, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Having read the Wikipedia policy, I (the creator of the page) am now tempted to remove the page too. Perhaps, a redirect to the West Island School page would be better? Or just leave it completely? --Mintchocicecream 22:08, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:16, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Seb cox[edit]

Not notable. Google for "Seb cox" gives 858 hits, and his homepage Alexa rank is 160,581. brenneman(t)(c) 14:22, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was speedy deleted. – Alphax τεχ 02:02, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Www.samtrimble.com[edit]

Delete. Is this advertising? We don't even have an article on Sam Trimble yet. If he is notable, create the article, then link to Trimble's web page from there. Aleph4 14:50, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is now on the "speedy deletion" track. -- Aleph4 16:00, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:30, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Mofunzone[edit]

Appears to be a vanity website page. [[smoddy]] 15:17, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:32, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Hans Krougman[edit]

nn blogger vanity. Delete. Ken 16:01, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:33, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Pornosaurus[edit]

Neologism. Lots of google hits, but not in a context indicating that this is what the word means; rather, it's just a fairly obvious portmanteau. DS 16:03, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Above is only contribution of 210.211.74.150. b0men has no contribution history.
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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:34, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Intellectual brain[edit]

I believe that this page constitutes original research. Delete. Lupin 16:11, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:36, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Ebola Monkey[edit]

Hoax. How ridiculous. [[smoddy]] 16:27, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was speedy delete. – ABCD✉ 21:40, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My Messenger[edit]

This does not warrant a Wikipedia article.

It thus seems that the article is for vanity only. Delete --jnothman talk 16:35, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is vanity the right word? Advertising maybe. See Special:Contributions/202.137.209.47. --jnothman talk 03:02, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on My Messenger

[19].

Keep. --Debasish 18:28, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This vote was actually added by 202.137.209.47 (talk · contribs), see here, and Debasish (talk · contribs) has 0 edits.

--User:Debasish 06:25, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This vote was again added by 202.137.209.47 (talk · contribs). [20]

Ok. How to delete this? --202.137.209.47 13:15, 31 July 2005 (UTC) Debasish[reply]

Votes for deletion are closed after five days, which is supposed to give the community time to debate and research the topic and if necessary improve the article, etc. See Dpbsmith's comment at the bottom of this page for a more eloquent explanation. Flowerparty talk 13:50, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:39, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

The Teen Podcasters Network[edit]

Non-notable, vanity. tregoweth 16:57, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:40, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Zlatiborian[edit]

Page was missed in cleaning up an apparent hoax that included the following VfDs: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Zlatiborians, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Zlatiborian speech, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Zlatiborian literature, and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/The Institute for the Zlatiborian language and literature. --Allen3 talk 16:58, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:42, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Martin Keegan[edit]

Vanity page. --TheParanoidOne 17:15, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:44, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Rotting squirell[edit]

Apparent band vanity. No assertion of meeting WP:MUSIC, no allmusic, no ability to spell "squirrel" . Delete Friday 17:17, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and let rot Shantavira 17:20, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:47, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Blogje[edit]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 13:48, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

John Lawrence[edit]

Google is unhelpful in identifying this person, except in a search for "John Lawrence""Joel Rifkin". Other than for his failed attempt to defend Rifkin, he appears non-notable. Denni☯ 17:42, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was No Consensus default to Keep. Essjay · Talk 13:50, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Joseph Edwin Klein Jr.[edit]

Page was listed as speedy for no claim of notability. Being drafted by a major league baseball team is a claim to notability. I'm not voting at this time. Pburka 17:52, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

But he hasn't made it to the pros yet. Article doesn't even say he signed. Is everybody who signs a minor league sports contract going to get an entry? Why is this different than giving every patentholder an entry? Monicasdude 15:20, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Delete. (I know I voted, but the decision was unanimous). Essjay · Talk 14:04, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Sam Korn[edit]

Wow, I'm honoured. I guess there is a precedent for this (Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jimmy Wales and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Angela Beesley), but I don't think I'm quite that notable. I guess it could be userfied... The article is also horrendously POV (though I admit it is my POV) and inaccurate (1. I'm not 16½ 2. cricket is not an extreme sport, although maybe vandal-whacking is 3. My Esperanto is very basic and my Latin only moderate...) I am, however, rather worried that it has taken this long for the page to be nominated for VfD. Nevertheless, I thank my fan club anon for my tribute. Delete. [[smoddy]] 17:58, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:19, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Targhetto[edit]

Neologism; Google shows it does not have broad currency Denni☯ 18:08, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

A Google search revealed tons of relevant matches. This page should not be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.106.56.114 (talk • contribs) 18:36 UTC, 2005 August 1

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The result of the debate was Keep. Essjay · Talk 14:24, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Palackal[edit]

This appears to be autobiography by the newcomer Yawsep. I have left a note to this effect on his talk page (along with a welcome), but I don't think this article looks encyclopaedic. Gareth Hughes 18:42, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:28, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Yeat[edit]

An expression with local currency only.Denni☯ 18:43, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:30, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Harry_Potter_and_the_Chamber_of_Secrets_-_Full_Plot_Summary[edit]

Page is redundant and its information is displayed elsewhere. The information presented on this page is duplicated in more appropriate places. The new Harry Potter Wikibook handles plot summaries now. Each book page provides concise summaries with links to the extensive summaries on the Wikibook. This is a part of the attempt to only have concise summaries on the Wikipedia pages and leave all extensive synopses to the Wikibook. The previous concensus was that this page is inappropriate. Matt 18:51, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete and make a redirect to There she is!! TonyJoe 11:23, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There She Is[edit]

There are currently two entries on the SamBakZa flash animation "There she is!! ",(also correctly titled with two exclamation marks) Comparing the two, and meaning no offense to it's author "There she is!!" is simply a better article than "There She Is".

When discussing the actual history and hits that the animation has received There she is!! offers actual numbers and awards while There She Is simply says it's popular. The plot synopsis is also more detailed and the themes of the film are better articulated in the former than in the latter. So in conclusion I think that There she is should be completely deleted, unless of course anyone thinks that there are some salvagable parts that could be taken from it and merged with There She Is!! 68.162.1.17 06:53, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was REDIRECT to Burundi. Splash 16:51, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Burundis[edit]

List of a few characters (lacking description) from a Mexican TV show. humblefool® 19:22, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:34, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Bubble tea supply[edit]

Advert for a non-notable company. Fernando Rizo T/C 19:34, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:35, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Apalachee, the Spanish, and Catholicism[edit]

This page has no real reason to exist and should be deleted. I'm moving the information to the Apalachee page. --JW1805 19:40, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Moving discussion to Wikipedia:Categories for deletion --Allen3 talk 20:21, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Soviet spies[edit]

List consists of names found in KGB files and other sources. Most have not been confirmed as Soviet Spies, merely that information from them turned up in KGB files, not the same thing Cberlet 19:42, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Keep but rename to "Suspected Soviet Spies". Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 20:18, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Keep TDC 20:19, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:36, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Im in ur base[edit]

Your traditional NN dicdef. [[smoddy]] 20:15, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Keep. Essjay · Talk 14:40, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Silver-copper nitrate[edit]

We don't need an article for every compound/chemical reaction. [[smoddy]] 20:20, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was RELIST. Splash 16:55, 5 August 2005 (UTC) Keep-[reply]

I find this an extremely valuable topic -- so much so that I just spent my whole day creating a well-linked wikified page based on Connie Barlow's version (including a whole page on Thomas Berry), only to come back and find that someone has created a stripped down version. While I think it has been stripped down a bit too much, it is probably a good holder for now. It is hard to find anything objectionable in it. It can be expanded to be more substantive and useful later, but it is best to start small, I say. I've been writing a lot on this subject lately and, as a blogger, I love to use Wikipedia to provide links to unusual concepts that are poorly summarized elsewhere on the web. So this is a fabulous resource for me. -- Blindeagle cii at igc dot org


Keep- 

   Modifications are a good idea for it to fit as a Wiki article, but overall,

definitely keep. This is a popular topic and it would look bad if we were

silent on it. 

-Dr. Jon Cleland Host  (equinoxjjh@yahoo.com)

This is of great importance. For the first time there is a story that can be shared across religions, cultures, international boundaries based on recent scientific discovery. It should definitely be part of Wikipedia. Frances Lorenz (lorenzmf@AOL.com)


Keep but modify The topic is valuable, but even as rewritten by Connie it does not read as a factual/review sort of encyclopedia entry but as a pretty strong advocacy essay for the concept, and with expressions that come across as fairly pronounced hype. I think that might explain some of the discomfort reactions. It may also actually put off a signficant proportion of readers rather than pulling them in. Advocacy is fine on one's own site, but this is supposed to be an encyclopedia on which people can rely for neutral and objective information. I think the article should be rewritten to remove the advocacy and hype and to appear and indeed be more or less neutral. I know that's tough for someone deeply involved in the subject, but it might help to imagine oneself as an academic - just describing this concept and its development and versions (theist and non-theist) to their students as one approach out of many. If there have been any critiques of The Great Story approach, mentioning them would also help. Paul Harrison harrison at dircon dot co dot uk

Keep - While there might be a better way to Wikify it the consciousness expressed is far to important to not be in the Wikipedia. Over time, that clean up will take place.

Jim Brauner - jimbrauner@earthlink.net


KEEP The subject matter is critically important to the level of Copernicus, Davinci, Newton and Einstein as to how and why phyical science discoveries have a direct effect on the social aspect of humans and earth itself.

Robert Nemanich rwnemanich@mychi.com

The Great Story[edit]

Keep The Great Story is the story of the human relationship to the Earth and the universe through time. Telling the Great Story entails tracing life back to its roots and highlighting the many miraculous occurrences along the way that make it possible for us to be having this discussion. Wikipedia is an appropriate place for a synopsis introducing the public to the Great Story and the thought that has gone into its discovery and dissemination. Brian Higbie (gringodelanoche@hotmail.com)

Unencyclopedic personal essay, possibly original research. --malathion talk 20:24, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above readers have misunderstood the importance of the Great Story entry. The Great Story is the story of a new cosmology for all the people of planet Earth. The Great STory is the first time in human history that all human beings have the same cosmology. It is also a story that heals the rift between science and relgion. The Great Story brings together into one narrative everything science has learned about our source in the twentieth century. For the first time we know all the molecules and atoms in our bodies were created in the explosion of a star. We were all "out there" at one time. So were all the other animals and plants on this Earth. We were out there in the forms of atoms and minerals. That means we are all intimately connected - all of us every plant and every animal. This is terribly important and perfect for Wikipedia. Bill Bruehl, bbruehl@bellsouth.net Preceding unsigned comment by 65.4.153.7 The essay is neither the recounting of one book nor the editors interpretation of one book. It is, rather, a short introduction to a fairly large body of research. See here: http://www.thegreatstory.org/what_is.html Michael Dowd, co-editor of entry<mbdowd@bigplanet.com>cell: 425-760-9941 204.210.56.185 (talk · contribs))

It is a complex concept that embodies an evolutionary advance forging the meaning of physical science and mythology of humans, but it should be shortened. As for deleting it altogether it would be analagous to deleting references to Copernicus on 1600.(Unsigned comment by 67.37.50.91 (talk · contribs))


Keep. The article is not OR (as noted by Sonic Mew above) nor is it a "recounting of one book (POV) or the editor's interepretation of that book (OR)." The editor(s) of the article, Michael Dowd and Connie Barlow, are both published authors and are well known for their leading role in explaining and disseminating information from many diverse sources the various and evolving contributions to the "Great Story." Barlow is a scientist and science writer (Evolution Extended (MIT Press), The Ghosts of Evolution (Basic Books), Green Space, Green Time (Copernicus), et al. Dowd is the author of Earth Spirit: A Handbook for Nurturing an Ecological Christianity and he has written many articles and presented "The Great Story" to many faith traditions. The Great Story has inspired many others: authors, scientists, artists, musicians (even a rap artist), educators (especially Montessori teachers), economists (David Korten, e.g.) children's books (Jennifer Morgan's Born with a Bang and From Lava to Life), and many others. Regarding Day/Night or Left Brain/Right Brain thinking, see Leonard Shlain's The Alphabet vs the Goddess: the Conflict between Word and Image; or more philosophically, see Gregory Bateson's Sacred Unity: Further Steps to an Ecology of Mind. Mainstream? Not yet. The Gaia Hypothesis, first proposed by James Lovelock and Lynn Margulis, and first published by Stewart Brand in Whole Earth Review in 1975, remains controversial 30 years later but it has stimulated a whole new field of "earth systems" and inspired "deep ecology" and "ecofeminism." The Great Story is similarly a seminal idea that is challenging our past views of the relationship, or lack thereof, between science and religion. Debate about the Great Story is welcome, but for those who are skeptical, please consider learning more about it at www.thegreatstory.org. Chuck Lynd <Lynd.7@osu.edu>

I've already expressed my support of this topic in the discussion section, but for what it's worth I will vote for it again here. The Great Story metaphors are provocative and worthy of discussion groups in education, philosophy, and theology. I have followed the writing and speaking of Great Story proponents since 1997 and have been impressed at its adaptability to the theological frameworks of religiously progressive congregations. John Brewer <jbrewer@sunflower.com>


It doesn't seem to be within Wiki policy to delete something simply because you don't understand it. ...or because it may appear to challenge your religous belief. Wiki policy states:

You don't have to vote on every nomination; consider not participating if: 

   * a nomination involves a topic of which you are ignorant.

Presumably, that would mean that recommending a page for deletion would be included in the above policy.

In other words, I might suggest that Pokemon pages, for example, be deleted because I can not comprehend the appeal and find no value to humanity for them. Those pages seem like commercial advertising rather than an encyclopaedic entry.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. < Wikipedia:Votes for deletion

I vote Keep but to have it put into Wiki style, whatever that is. This is a powerful story and movement providing an inspiring integrative view of the universe, planet, human informing both science and religion globally.

I also vote for Wiki to develop a more intuitive easy human interface for keeping,voting, posting etc to promote this interesting concept. See Craigslist for better ideas on how to do this. Also CD Baby has gotten this concept down pretty well. 8/05 Alan Tower [edit]

KEEP Having read so many, many books that reference the beautiful combining of science and mysticism,and the need for a living cosmology; it is hard to believe this concept would be unfamiliar. The Great Story transcends all religions but one source would be books by Christian theologian, Matthew Fox. In Fox's The Coming of the Cosmic Christ, p. 132 he speaks of mindfulness. "It opens their minds and hearts to the universe, to what is and to where we are: citizens of a vast twenty-billion-year history that is still unfinished and which we are called to complete; citizens of a universe of one hundred billion galaxies, of which ours is a mysteriously small one." 206.162.192.39 15:51, 1 August 2005 (UTC)Susan Heitzman[reply]

KEEP That folks are unfamiliar with the Great Story concept is precisely why it is so important to have an article like this in Wiki. I am a university professor who uses this idea (Great Story/Evolutionary Epic/Universe Story)as the fundamental framework for a 2-semester Introduction to Natural Science course that integrates physics, chemistry, earth science, astronomy, cosmology, and biology. Given what science has taught us in the last century or so (and especially in recent decades) about the origin and evolution of the universe, Dobzhansky's famous statement that "nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolution" must now be expanded to something like "nothing makes sense except in light of the Great Story". The idea that ALL of science fits together into a single seemless creation story is an extremely powerful one, with implications that we are just beginning to grasp. I don't really feel qualified to speak to how (or whether) to "Wikify" this article better, but please keep its essential ideas intact. Jim Lorman (lorman@edgewood.edu)

KEEP I feel it fulfills a necessary function, being the realization of a perceived need for a modern Creation Myth. It is neither Science nor Religion, per se, but points to an awareness that life includes elements of both. In our modern world, with 200 years of mechanistic reductonism in the Life Sciences and 100 years since we proved the basis for Quantum Mechanics and Relativity, we need a view to bridge the philosophical gaps in our worldview. Physics has shown that the mechanistic view is wrong, but people in the Life Sciences point to the success of reductionism, and take mechanism as a given. Mainstream Religion doesn't help us to deal with the issues like the origin of consciousness and the evolution of sentient life, and mainstream Science has few answers, which makes The Great Story a necessary pursuit for those who seek to have a satisfying account of our origins. Jonathan Dickau --67.87.247.33 18:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP I like Connie's re-write, but I had just completed subtantial edits to inform those new to the Great Story idea. It would be nice if someone could weave in some of my changes, as I don't want to start again from scratch. Either way, I still think the topic is essential. Jonathan Dickau --67.87.247.33 20:38, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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SUGGESTED REWRITE:

"The Great Story" is an umbrella term for a movement that is manifesting today in scientifically literate cultures whereby new cosmological understandings made possible by modern science are translated into story forms that can provide the same kind of foundation for leading meaningful lives, in service to larger communities, that have traditionally been provided by a people's "creation story." Thomas Berry (born 1915, USA), a Catholic priest, academician, and self-proclaimed "geologian," began in the 1970s urging western culture to integrate the new cosmology offered by modern science into its religious expressions, as a form of update needed not only for religious consistency with the world as we now know it but also for the role he envisioned it would play in evoking "ecospirituality," "Earth Literacy," and a sense of sacred relationship to the natural world that would in turn foster a mutually enhancing relationship between the human milieu and the rest of, what he calls, "the Earth Community."

"The Great Story," "the Story of the Universe", and "the Epic of Evolution" are all synonyms for artful renditions of the new cosmology made available through modern science. The Great Story is science rendered as meaningful, motivating, and sometimes metaphorical narrative. A foundational book in this movement is the 1992 "The Universe Story," coauthored by mathematical cosmologist Brian Swimme and cultural historian Thomas Berry. In 1980 Carl Sagan's "Cosmos" series, which aired on public television, expressed a celebratory understanding of the evolutionary story that was viewed by tens of millions of people. In a 1978 Pulitzer-Prize-winning book "On Human Nature," Harvard biologist Edward O. Wilson signaled the importance of this endeavor of modern, factually based mythmaking by declaring, "The evolutionary epic is probably the best myth we will ever have." Anthropologist and religious naturalist Loren Eiseley titled his first book of essays that celebrated evolution, "The Immense Journey" (1957). Around the same time, French Jesuit (and paleontologist) Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, presented the evolutionary story with a mystical and christological emphasis, in his posthumously published book “The Phenomenon of Man.” Aldo Leopold, a leader in the early conservation movement, wrote of the grand evolutionary saga as "the odyssey of evolution," in his 1948 "Sand County Almanac.” And in the early through mid 20th century, evolutionary biologist Julian Huxley wrote humanistic essays and books attesting to the power of regarding this "epic of evolution" as a form of "Religion Without Revelation."

"The Great Story" thus refers to any telling of a cosmic creation story grounded in the modern, mainstream sciences. Peoples throughout the world have, of course, developed cosmologies — that is, understandings of how land, water, sky, plants and animals, humans, the sun and moon and stars all came into being, what purpose each of these elements serves in the whole, and how the human is to live "in accord" (quoting mythologist Joseph Campbell) with all of reality, known and unknown. Traditional ways of transmitting these varied cosmological and ethical understandings have included creation stories, parables, epic poems, songs, dances and other manifestations of the human capacity to convey sequences of events and express relationships in meaningful ways in order to provide the fundamental context for living one's life. For peoples throughout the world who are still primarily embedded in oral traditions, these understandings and teachings are so deeply interwoven into their cultures and psyches that anthropologists refer to the amalgams as "lifeways." For cultures in which symbolic language has been translated into writing, and in which written documents are regarded as the primary (even divine and inerrant) sources for maintaining and passing on cosmological and ethical wisdom, these understandings and expressions are what is referred to by the term "religion."

The new cosmology that undergirds various tellings of "The Great Story" is mainstream science — that is, reality as understood by the collective scientific community that publishes in the leading scientific journals and which is taught in science courses at leading institutions of higher learning throughout the world. Because mainstream science is grounded in an evolutionary understanding of cosmos, Earth, life, and culture, "The Great Story" manifests as creation stories and parables that celebrate an evolutionary understanding of reality: galactic evolution, stellar evolution, planetary evolution, biological evolution, cultural evolution.

The galaxies, stars, planets, and known and possible life forms are all presented by mainstream science to have developed through time by natural processes that can be studied and tested using scientific means. For example, it is possible today to view how galaxies looked in the past simply by using our space telescopes to image galaxies billions of light-years away, which is also, necessarily, billions of light-YEARS distant in time. It is possible to observe the spectra of light radiated from stars and re-emitted by ionized atoms in their surroundings to identify matter existing vast distances outside our own star system. Scientists also employ chemical and thermodynamic calculations to understand how stars today, as well as stars of the past, are forming all the atoms of the Periodic Table of Elements heavier than helium, through processes of "stellar nucleosynthesis." Although scientists cannot similarly witness past biological beings living their lives in real time, they do examine fossils, record the position of such fossils in radiometrically dated geological strata, and study genetic relatedness of living life forms in order to piece together well-supported understandings of how Earth life has evolved. Similarly, the various sciences of physical and cultural anthropology, archeology, linguistics, cultural history, evolutionary psychology, and others allow a vast community of trained experts around the globe, and of all ethnicities and religious faiths, to piece together stories of how the human psyche and human cultures have changed through time.

Scientific understanding of this evolving universe is now so vast, and the scientific disciplines and expertise so fragmented, however, that nonscientists may regard this edifice of knowledge as beyond understanding. Modern peoples may well embrace the applied fruits of the scientific enterprise (traveling in jets and ingesting modern medicines), but many still fail to grasp the cosmological significance of the scientific enterprise, consciously or unconsciously holding instead to pre-modern, non-evolutionary cosmologies. Or, they may be living their lives and teaching their young wisdom and values in fragments, outside the context of any integrated creation story -- that is, outside of a self-consistent and meaningful account of how things are, how they came to be, and what is important.

Thomas Berry has proposed that modern cosmology meaningfully presented should not be regarded as yet another competing religion. Rather, the new cosmology fosters a "metareligious" understanding that will ultimately be expressed in a wide variety of ways in and through each of the established religions and secular worldviews. There are many published (or internet accessible) writings of Christians, Hindus, Taoists, Buddhists, Unitarian Universalists, religious naturalists, pagans, and others who express how this new cosmology can not only reconcile with their spiritual tradition but how it positively enhances it. Some have incorporated this new understanding into established holy days and rituals; some have created entirely new spiritual expressions -- e.g. "The Cosmic Walk," "The Cosmic Communion," and "Great Story Beads,” also known as "cosmic rosaries.” (All of these terms can easily be googled.) Multi-media (DVD) expressions of it are also available, notably titles that feature the work of physicist Brian Swimme, Dominican Sister Miriam Therese MacGillis, evolutionary evangelist Rev. Michael Dowd, and science writer and Unitarian Universalist Connie Barlow. Short multi-media programs are also posted on the internet.

There are secular and religious educational curricula available (for adults and for children) in book or web-based forms. (The website www.TheGreatStory.org is a central node for accessing web forms of these materials.) Curricula accessible through the internet include "evolutionary parables," as well as course outlines and graphics for helping children locate "Birthday Stars" and for learning that "We Are Made of Stardust." "Our Continental Story" provides playful curricula and participatory processes for both adults and kids to learn the 65 million year (post-dinosaur) story of the comings and goings of mammals in North America. "Death through Deep-Time Eyes" examines how a dozen scientific disciplines present a new "creation story" that depicts physical death (of stars and continents as well as life forms) as not only natural but essential for evolutionary development.

The most popular children's books in The Great Story movement are those of Jennifer Morgan and Dana Llyn Andersen: "Born with a Bang" and "From Lava to Life." "The Kids Book of Awesome Stuff," by Charlene Brotman is a popular children's book in workbook form.

Global Education Associates Upper Midwest had published a reader, “Amazing Universe,” that offers text and guidelines for a 6-segment self-guided or group discussion course on The Great Story.

In summary, The Great Story embraces and includes all other stories. It is the science-based epic of evolution that can be told in ways that validate and uplift traditional religious stories by revealing the magnitude of their central truths – truths that have fostered cultural persistence over hundreds and thousands of years. The Great Story not only provides a faithful interpretation of the past; it allows for a deepening understanding of the past, as our awareness and knowledge grow. It is thus “A Story of the Changing Story.” Various tellings of The Great Story also may offer meaningful and empowering ways of understanding the challenges of the present and for entering the future energized by realistically hopeful and inspiring visions.

Rewritten by Connie Barlow - cbtanager@bigplanet.com ________________________________________________________


KEEP Connie Barlow's new version addresses the issues raised above. elisabet@sahtouris.com

KEEP This topic is important, but I would eliminate Mmmbeers version as it's too uninformative to provide any meaningful insight into the subject, or even a worthwhile definition of what "The Great Story" is and what purpose it attempts to fulfill. Admittedly, some of what appeared in earlier entries was 'fluff,' but a reader should come away with a clear understanding of the basic ideas behind "The Great Story". I think Connie Barlow's re-write does that fairly well. Mmmbeer's severely edited form makes the entry almost meaningless. Jonathan Dickau --67.87.247.33 03:49, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP New version with edits as of this time serves the public well to inform about TGS, but is sufficiently brief, encyclopedic, and informative. It suffers from little or no 'fluff' and tells readers what they need to know, to learn more if desired. Jonathan Dickau - jond4u@optonline.net --67.87.247.33 15:25, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:38, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Radio Tiananmen[edit]

This is a vanity/non-notable article about an idea for a radio station (that never actually existed, note the vessel was never actually purchased). The only Google hits for this station are Wikipedia and mirrors. This article was created by User:MPLX, author of a series of interconnected vanity articles, all about to be deleted:

Detailed info can be found on the various talk and VfD pages. This article should be deleted along with these others. JW1805 20:36, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was (SPEEDY) DELETE. Essjay · Talk 07:23, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Insensiives 9-11[edit]

Fiction. Denni☯ 20:53, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:42, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Double Gravity[edit]

Star Trek fanfic. I think. At any rate, it's not about the story. It is the story. Joyous (talk) 20:59, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was KEEP. Splash 17:03, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Global One Lending[edit]

I quote from the article 'has very little notoriety within the world of finance' - nn? --Doc (?) 21:23, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:44, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Cavanner[edit]

Almost sure this is a joke (even if the term is actually use, it's too local to be encyclopedic). Delete drini ☎ 21:29, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is a completely serious matter. In 1986, the Etters' cavanners won the International Produce contest in Istambul. It is relevent to today's world in so many ways that it is not even funny that you would consider deleting this. That is all. Keep it!

Previous comment unsigned by 209.74.40.167, obviously, the creator of the joke. drini ☎ 21:55, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was No consensus default to Keep. Essjay · Talk 14:45, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Rodney Caston[edit]

Mr. Caston hasn't done anything of note since Megatokyo, and the story of his departure from Megatokyo is already better-detailed in that comic's article. Anyone looking for him on Wikipedia, either under his real name or the pseudonym Largo, is probably better served by a redirect to Megatokyo. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 21:40, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd leave the article, Stalin hasn't done anything either since he died, but people don't look him up by wiki'ing for Russia.

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:49, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

The_most_useless_UNIX_command[edit]

This is subjective and not NPOV, unencyclopedic.Mmmbeer 21:43, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:51, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Leave me in your mother[edit]

Wikipedia is not a dictionary, or a place for slang. Delete. sars 21:41, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Delete Nandesuka 22:28, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wiktionary Ripper234 21:54, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Added "Move to Wiktionary" template. Leave

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The result of the debate was COPYVIO. Splash 17:05, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Neanderthal theory of autism[edit]

Page appears to be original research or original thought, and may have poor verifyablity or possibly have bias. Bovineone 21:45, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETE. Essjay · Talk 07:26, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Provolone County, Flinty Knoll[edit]

Fictional location. This user (63.19.132.96) has created a number of articles on fictional locations. Denni☯ 21:33, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

Speedy deleted it as it was clearly a hoax, like all the other contributions of that IP. andy 21:39, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETE. Essjay · Talk 07:27, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Myst County, Wilson Store[edit]

Fictional location. This user (63.19.132.96) has created a number of articles on fictional locations. Denni☯ 21:28, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETE. Essjay · Talk 07:29, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Moore County, Flinty Knoll[edit]

Fictional location. This user (63.19.132.96) has created a number of articles on fictional locations. Denni☯ 21:35, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETE. Essjay · Talk 07:29, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Bigoak County, Wilson Store[edit]

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Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Porridge County, Flinty Knoll

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The result of the debate was SPEEDY DELETE. Essjay · Talk 07:29, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Pinoak County, Mt. Olive[edit]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:53, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Fast seduction[edit]

Advertising for non-notable web site. tregoweth 22:01, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:54, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

DestructiveChild[edit]

not noteable. Eclipsed 21:57, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 23:57, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Speed seduction[edit]

Nonsense about "a method of picking up strange women in bars." Definite BJAODN material. tregoweth 22:00, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:56, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Quoth The Raven[edit]

Band vanity. --malathion talk 22:00, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 14:58, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Online Soccer Project Alpha[edit]

Votes from new users

(user's first edit) Mackensen (talk) 20:23, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

(user has 3 edits at this time) Joyous (talk) 02:09, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

(user has 3 edits, two are to their user page) Junkyard prince 17:09, 1 August 2005 (UTC) [reply]

user's third edit  Grue  07:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

user's first edit Junkyard prince 14:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

user's second edit Junkyard prince 23:59, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 15:00, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Denounce[edit]

This dicdef has been transwikied to Wiktionary. Unless someone wants to turn it into a lengthier article, I suggest it be deleted. Denni☯ 22:38, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep. – Alphax τεχ 02:14, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Stångenäs Hundred[edit]

This article is stubby and nonencyclopedic and should be deleted. -Soltak 22:44, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]


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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 15:01, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Highest rainfall in the world[edit]

This article is referring to the 2005 Maharashtra floods, which already have their own article. However, seeing that there are other significant, severe floods that have been covered here, and I can't find a list of largest rainfalls in 24 hours here, I think a redirect to Flood might be appropriate, or just a delete. --Idont Havaname 22:59, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was speedy deleted at the request of the creator and sole editor. JeremyA (talk) 03:42, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rathdowney Boxing Club[edit]

My google search found only 1000, on the top of the result seem to be their offical site but other result seem unrelated to it. I say delete--Kiba 22:48, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 15:02, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Kevan[edit]

The site is a link farm. Take a bit of a wikibreak and check some of them out, though. Then delete this article. Denni☯ 23:08, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was No Consensus default to Keep. Essjay · Talk 15:05, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Sexy Miss Lizz[edit]

Previously tagged for speedy deletion for being "Non-notable". But the comments left on its talk page debate whether or not this erotic actress is important or significant. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:12, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Go on and list all fart pornography actors ordered by notability and we'll see how notable she is within the genre. --Easyas12c 12:49, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 15:08, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

False faggot[edit]

Neologism not in wide use. Joyous (talk) 23:14, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Keep. Essjay · Talk 15:09, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Avigsidan[edit]

Web page in other language than English, not notable by Swedish standards. Thuresson 23:16, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was speedy, a part of vandalism spree. mikka (t) 01:10, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Grumphnoo[edit]

Wikipedia is not a dictionary for slang sars 23:20, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was Merge and Redirect to Survivor: Africa. Essjay · Talk 00:02, August 7, 2005 (UTC)

Jessie Camacho[edit]

Another Survivor contestant page. I'm in favor of de-linking all of them from the articles, or maybe (very weak) merge them all into their respective seasons. I know Linda personally, but I really don't think she deserves an article. (She's nice, but doesn't warrant her own article) mysekurity 23:27, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 15:32, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Michael_Boom[edit]

Makes not a lot of sense. Something to do with power rangers? Not exactly notable. Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch 23:30, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete. Essjay · Talk 15:33, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

James Adomian[edit]

Non-notable. Only gets 100 hits on Google search. --WikiFan04Talk 18:24, 30 Jul 2005 (CDT)

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The result of the debate was Speedy delete. Hedley 00:25, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PzzSchool[edit]

Duplicate of User:PzzSchool. Denni☯ 23:38, 2005 July 30 (UTC)

I still say this was a speedy. lots of issues | leave me a message 00:21, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Keep. Essjay · Talk 15:35, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Clear Channel Broadcasting Tower Little Rock[edit]

This article accompanies about 12 others that are stubs regarding specific broadcasting towers. They should all either be deleted as nonencyclopedic or merged in List of Clear Channel Broadcasting Towers. -Soltak 23:58, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Yes, it's a real place. So is my mother-in-law's house but I don't think I'll be writing an article about that any time soon. -Soltak 00:01, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Answer. If these articles were moved to List of Clear Channel Broadcasting Towers typing in Clear Channel Broadcasting Tower Little Rock would redirect to that page. -Soltak 17:39, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Category:Hundreds of Bahusia Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Category:Hundreds of Sweden

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The result of the debate was No Consensus default to Keep. Essjay · Talk 15:37, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

40 Most Awesomely Bad Breakup Songs[edit]

Non-encyclopedic VH1 countdown. Hedley 00:44, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 11:37, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Spirits of Runescape[edit]

Gaming clan of no significance. Hedley 00:53, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Keep --Allen3 talk 11:33, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Jonathon_Prandi[edit]

Vanity page with inapropriate sexual references. 69.160.16.51 15:49, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was Delete and make a redirect to There she is!! TonyJoe 11:23, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There She Is[edit]

There are currently two entries on the SamBakZa flash animation "There she is!! ",(also correctly titled with two exclamation marks) Comparing the two, and meaning no offense to it's author "There she is!!" is simply a better article than "There She Is".

When discussing the actual history and hits that the animation has received There she is!! offers actual numbers and awards while There She Is simply says it's popular. The plot synopsis is also more detailed and the themes of the film are better articulated in the former than in the latter. So in conclusion I think that There she is should be completely deleted, unless of course anyone thinks that there are some salvagable parts that could be taken from it and merged with There She Is!! 68.162.1.17 06:53, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]


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