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The result was keep. postdlf (talk) 18:00, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of suicides which have been attributed to bullying[edit]

List of suicides which have been attributed to bullying (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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I see no reason to think that this article is substantially different than the one that was deleted after discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bullycides. "Have been attributed to" is an even broader scope than the previous list. VQuakr (talk) 21:39, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. For every individual, news sources (WP:RS) are cited which indicate that bullying or cyber-bullying led to an individual attempting suicide. Yes there is a cautious tone in the title ("Have been attributed to"), because bullying may have been one of several factors (e.g., depression). There are different lists of suicide cases, the main one being List of suicides and then List of suicides in the 21st century. I think it is helpful to have a short list of all the cases where bullying played an important role in the suicide.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 21:48, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:47, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Undecided. I am kind of torn on this one. On one hand these are suicides that are commonly attributed to bullying, but then on the other hand I think that some of the opinions at the last AfD would still apply to this one. What kind of bugs me is the phrase "intentionally killed themselves due to bullying". The article's title implies that these are commonly attributed to bullying while this sentence draws a direct link between the two and as was brought up at the previous AfD, implies that one person or groups of persons (the bullies) were at fault for this and potentially not charged for their actions. It also kind of bothers me in a BLP way, since it also kind of implies that bullying was the main and almost sole reason for their suicides and that's not typically how this sort of thing works. Bullying can be a trigger, yes, but it is not the only trigger and there are usually a whole wealth of other reasons that also play into suicides. I can see the merit in having a list of bullying related deaths, but it needs to be very, very carefully phrased. 06:07, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I just changed the title in the article body so that it is the same as the official title: list of suicides which have been attributed to bullying OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 16:30, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for doing that! Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:59, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would see a BLP issue here if at the entry for a suicide, the article said "Jane Doe and John Doe allegedly bullied the suicide victim." But in the current article, the alleged bullies are not named.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 16:23, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have also deleted the 2014 and 2013 cases, because BLP applies for 2 years after a person's death.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 16:33, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with the argument that BLP applies to people who died more than two years ago, on the grounds that the bullied individual has family members. This would mean that the BLP rule that the BLP does not apply to dead people who have been dead more than 2 years would be rendered useless.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 18:29, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with the concern about BLP implications for the alleged bullies, because the WP article does not name any alleged bullies. If someone does their own research outside of WP to find out names of alleged bullies, that is outside of Wikipedia's control. There are existing lists like List of Unsolved Murders, where people don't raise the concern about BLP implications for alleged killers.OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 00:44, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep It's a list. Wiki has lots of lists. The topic for lists is pretty much irrelevant; someone will no doubt ultimately want to refer to it as a sourcing for some encyclopedic reason. Not liking the subject matter is no reason to be all on-the-fence about it. The why's and what's aren't in debate on some grand scale, it's that it happens at all that's the problem. Nikto wha? 03:17, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.