The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. This article catastrophically fails verifiability and by not having proper inclusion criteria it risks neutral point of view problems. While the deletion nomination was flawed, this article is an irretrievable mess created one afternoon by an occasional editor who didn't even log in. No reason to suppose it will ever be anything more than it is. --Tony Sidaway 08:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of political clans in Philippines[edit]

List of political clans in Philippines (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

This page is nominated for deletion by 159.53.110.143. I'm completing the nomination for them. No opinion Delete. Resurgent insurgent 15:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Neutral: And have you any grounds to proffer for the deletion?  RGTraynor  18:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • It looks like listcruft to me. Do we have lists for families whose members serve in the parliaments of any other country? Resurgent insurgent 02:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Not yet. Let's see if we can get sources and a neutrality check. YechielMan 21:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 01:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 01:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. It would be better to create articles about the prominent political families of the Philippines (the Filipino equivalents of, say, Bush family or Kennedy family) and put them into a new Category:Political families of the Philippines. Organizing the list by province is probably not needed since there must have been political families whose members served in government from more than one province. --Metropolitan90 06:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for now - it seems like "trapos" are the Filipino equivalent of political parties, it can perhaps be deleted when an alternative is created (as mentioned above) SalaSkan 12:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KrakatoaKatie 21:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep & clean up I see two problems: (1) lack of references, and (2) lack of explanation of the notability of the topic. But, I see merit in the subect, while not in the article (list) as presented. --Kevin Murray 14:07, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Perhaps each and every municipality has one. And that's 40,000+ of those. --Howard the Duck 06:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: the list states that the inclusion criteria is only nationally notable "clans" (in the national government). John Vandenberg 06:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • But why is it listed on a per province/city basis? And which is national and which is not? Are "clans" with members in the lower house not national? --Howard the Duck 08:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Honestly, I dont know. But as-is, the list isnt out of control. Unless someone does know that this list will turn out to be an indiscriminate list, I dont follow your reason for deletion. If you know this subject well, is there a better inclusion criteria that would make this list less likely to become out of control? John Vandenberg 08:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • This is the best time to be preemptive. Many political clans claim they're not, and their critics say they are, which will lead to edit wars. Also, this will turn up to be a directory, eventually. --Howard the Duck 07:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Salaskan. John Vandenberg 06:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and replace with a different article This article makes a list of political clans, but does not make a thorough discussion of political clans in the Philippine context. My take is that the main topic, that of political clans, should precede any such list. --- Tito Pao 09:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. From this discussion, I've come to realize that I'm not sure what a "political clan" is in the Philippines, and this article certainly doesn't explain it. As I suggested above, I thought it was a family with multiple members in government, but now I'm not sure about that. --Metropolitan90 06:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.