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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) ℳøℕø 06:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of ice hockey players of Asian descent[edit]

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Arbitrary list that is also original research.

Article sorts players by "Asian race", comprised of certain oriental nations, and India, but not the rest of Asia (middle east, russia, etc.). Poorly sourced. Львівське (talk) 19:49, 17 April 2010 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages because they are exactly the same:[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. —DJSasso (talk) 19:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete: I could understand a sourced article on a specific nation (ie. Japanese players in the NHL), but quasi-races like "Middle Easterners" (including Jews) and "Asians" (including Indians, but excluding others), or "Latinos" (including white European Spaniards in a list with South/Central Americans) is just silly. Plus, all listed articles are poorly sourced as stated above.--Львівське (talk) 19:55, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment For previous Afd on List of ice hockey players of Latino descent‎ see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Latino ice hockey players. -DJSasso (talk) 20:00, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I've called for this page to be deleted before, and I'll stand by it. Arbitrary definitions, and excluding several Russian/Kazakh players born and raised in the continent of Asia only helps to make this list even less accurate, not to mention leaving out players of Middle Eastern descent. Kaiser matias (talk) 20:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I guess by this arbitrary definition, ethnic Kazakh players would be allowed but ethnic Russian Kazakhstani players excluded? It's just all over the place. Mogilny was born so close to China, but he's not Asian enough for the Asian article, but Paul Kariya, a half-scot half-japanese from BC, is. --Львівське (talk) 21:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:02, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as the editor who seconded the prod. This is original research with no objective rules of inclusion/exclusion. Would an NHL player with one great-grandparent who was born in Siberia be included in this list? B.Wind (talk) 00:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly not, as Siberia isn't Asian enough. Now if you're 1/18th Taiwanese, you have a good chance of making "the list" --Львівське (talk) 00:35, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Although I understand that these lists are somewhat ambiguous, I still feel they provide some useful information. What's most sorely needed now for these lists is proper sourcing and also clear definitions on what constitutes as "Asian", "Latino", "Middle Eastern", etc. The previous AfD for List of ice hockey players of Latino descent brought up some good points (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Latino_ice_hockey_players) and I think it's worthwhile to ponder a bit about them as well. Soggybread (talk) 00:57, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as there are article and category pages that note individuals by ethnicity and sociological race. Certain Russian, Kazakh players of Russian descent, etc. need to added to the page listing Asian players / players of Asian descent, for sure. Sourcing may need to be improved, but this is true of many WP pages. Mayumashu (talk) 19:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This article is notable, and most of the players are verified with a reference. With a list such as this, it is important that each and every player should be either referenced or removed. Dolovis (talk) 22:51, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: This article is very unique for this sport and it should be notable or recognize for their accomplishments. Marc87 (talk) 04:46, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's an accomplishment to be Oriental?--Львівське (talk) 04:56, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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