The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Both the keep and delete side cited WP:LISTN for their arguments, with the keep side arguing that notable series are allowed one main character list to cover their main characters for WP:SPINOFF, regardless of notability. – sgeureka ^t•c 13:14, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of Xanth characters[edit]

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Long list of utterly non-notable characters from a fictional universe. Fails WP:LISTN, WP:NFICTION. This kind of stuff belongs on a fan wikia (https://xanth.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Xanth_characters) not on Wikipedia. Not a single source I see in BEFORE suggests that characters from this series had been analyzed in scholarly works, or that this list appears in any place that satisfies LISTN; all that I see is the wikia list and even worse (reliability-wise) fan sites. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:53, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:53, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• KEEP Notable series have always had character lists as a spin off articles. If that is to change there should be a discussion somewhere and not arguments in thousands of different AFDs. And some of these characters are quite notable as they are the main characters of some of the books. Dream Focus 10:20, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete- virtually zero sourcing on content presented in a mostly in-universe plot summary style. The article consists entirely of trivial fancruft. There is no decent sourced content to merge, and the actual major characters are already covered in sufficient detail (and in a better manner) at the articles for the respective books. Reyk _YO! 10:27, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...at the articles for the respective books". And that's exactly the point of having separate character lists for series or franchises, so readers can see that information summarized together in one place rather than having to piece it together themselves. postdlf (talk) 18:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Describing this immense, sprawling wad of unsourced cruft a "summary" seems perverse to me. Summarisation implies brevity. This is cruft for the sake of cruft. Reyk _YO! 10:54, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, justifiable at minimum as a WP:SPLIT from the parent article. This series comprises 42 books, we do our readers a disservice and hinder our coverage by removing such indices. postdlf (talk) 18:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fantasy-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:49, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Character lists shouldn't be instantly made without first having proper articles for the rest of the series. It's a cop out because nobody actually tries to fit the information properly, so we just end up with bloated messes filled with trivial one time characters and other nonsense. The supposed context yielded from them is lost because everything else is so unweildly. It's not that it's a valid split because there are forty two novels, but rather that there are forty two novels in which to discuss the plot and characters relevant to those novels. From there, the main article can easily hold some primary characters. I don't view this as a content clean up issue, but rather a good TNT to get things straight. 20:18, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

@TTN: That's nice. I was wondering if anyone can turn the Xanth article which is about a fictional universe to one that is about a series of novels, just like with Gotrek and Felix and Iron Man: Sound Effects? ミラP 01:29, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per nom. Meets WP:LISTN per Lists that fulfill recognized informational [...] or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. ミラP 01:29, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Clear and obvious fancruft that fails WP:LISTN hard. I fail to see the "navigation" purposes the list fulfills that would grant it implied notability, as it does not link to any sub articles._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 03:27, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indeed, it's a WP:DEADEND, so the argument that it helps with navigation is hard to justify. Unless it's supposed to be the end result of a search, but then we go back to the issue of this not passing GNG. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed my vote to clarify things better. ミラP 14:44, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as WP:FANCRUFT. Ajf773 (talk) 22:26, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep passes WP:LISTN some of these characters are notable and appear as main characters. Wm335td (talk) 20:01, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.