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The result was keep. There is consensus that the list topic is notable, although editors point out that WP:OR/WP:V cleanup may be needed. (non-admin closure) — MarkH₂₁^talk 21:18, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of United States-themed superheroes[edit]

List of United States-themed superheroes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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Completely unsourced, no evidence that this is a notable topic Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:30, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Keep Obvious fail of WP:BEFORE as there are entire books about this such as Comic Art Propaganda – A Graphic History; Super Patriotic Heroes; Captain America and the Nationalist Superhero plus numerous general histories of the Golden Age which spawned so many of these. Of course, it still needs work as it's currently missing Colonel Stars and Stripes and his dog Eisenhower. "Schwanz!" Andrew🐉(talk) 16:44, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:NLIST, One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources which appears to be demonstrated above. Beccaynr (talk) 17:14, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• comment I agree that there is a well-documented history of patriotically themed characters, but this title is terrible, and the presentation borders on original research. Mangoe (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I added some references to some of the entries. This is something that gets media coverage. Superman fought for the "American way" for decades, many of the others have the American flag in their costumes, etc. Needs more referencing but it can be fixed so no reason to delete this valid list article. Dream Focus 17:25, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Dream Focus: Are you actually going to put in to effort to source all this? If entries cannot be sourced should they be removed? Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:26, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Don't remove things unless you honestly doubt they are American themed, and its not mentioned in their article that they are. If they are on the Category:United States-themed superheroes then they should be on the list. This is a navigational list. Dream Focus 17:39, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Sources explicitly saying "X is United States-themed" need to be in the article prose or linked in the list article, otherwise it's OR (even if it makes me cringe because it's SO SO OBVIOUS). I think with the nationalism/propaganda angle, this could use a good piece of prose to improve the definition to the list; something that actually spells out the motifs of the United States in the lede (stars and stripes, red white and blue, "Yankee Doodle", Liberty, pro-USA, pro-military, etc.) would be a start. Estheim (talk) 17:46, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:LISTVERIFY states It is generally presumed that obviously appropriate material, such as the inclusion of Apple in the List of fruits, does not require an inline citation. So if it is as you put it "SO SO OBVIOUS" then no, no reason to have a pointless reference. Dream Focus 17:57, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Not wholly useless. It can be sourced further. --Yoonadue (talk) 03:46, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep there's lots of scholarly material on patriotic heroes. [The Ten Cent War] and [The Superhero Symbol] are but two. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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