The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. Robert ^{T | @ | C} 00:59, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

List of Latin phrases[edit]

Permanently incomplete, indiscriminate list of loosely associated topics. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. -- Perfecto  15:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. -- Perfecto  15:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP IT. This is what the wiki is all about. These phrases are not dead - at least not all of them. How often do you get a letter that uses a phrase and you cant remember what it means. How often do we search to the right phrase for our context?
• Keep it!!! - Why would anyone want to delete this? It's a great article. You should keep it! Dposse
• Keep It - For someone who enjoys being overly verbose, this article serves very well.
• Keep It - This is a great page. Only useful Latin to English page I have found. Please keep.
• Keep - It's something I often refer to and the only page like it that I've been able to find. It's also the only wikipedia entry that I've bookmarked. Don't let it go! 60.177.40.58 18:08, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep!! I just found this useful reference - I'm always looking for this kind of information as a middle school teacher - my students hadn't heard of e.g. or i.e. before, and this is the only page I found with "versus" on it! VERY useful. Thank you! 69.107.252.169 17:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. It's not complete and exhaustive, but sure it's informative and VERY useful. First in google if you type list of latin expression. Federico Pistono ✆ ✍ 09:31, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. So it's not complete and exhaustive, that will come in time, but it's incredibly informative and instantly useful. [14:55, 13 November 2005 (GMT)]
• Keep it!@
• Strongest possible (and speedy) keep. This article has more than 250 links and an edit history that is quite extensive. If the article were deleted it would be inevitably recreated. If the point of this nomination is to underline the absurdity of "Wikipedia is not a dictionary", I might agree with the sentiment, but still, don't disrupt Wikipedia to prove a point. Smerdis of Tlön 16:31, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep one of the very few lists I think is worth keeping. A list of common latin phrases is encyclopaedic, IMO. Just zis Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] :: AfD? 16:35, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep the influence of Latin on English is very encyclopedic, and this list is part of the evidence for that. —Wahoofive (talk) 16:59, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, although the list occasionally does need cleaning up (like now, probably). Adam Bishop 17:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I use this a lot. Trollderella 17:27, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - WLD 17:33, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Permanently incomplete could be said about any history article. If its gotten messy, clean it or add a cleanup tag. Besides, it has Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. which is my personal favorite latin phrase (this would be the humor part of my post) KillerChihuahua 17:47, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep this list is not a dicdef so you can't transwiki it to Wiktionary, and considering the large number of notable Latin phrases in both everyday and "specialist" use it's a worthwhile and usefull list to keep. I also don't see it's premanently incomplete status as a problem, and I can't recall ever seeing that used as a reason to delete other lists either. --Sherool 18:37, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Smerdis's argument, quod vide. Andrew Levine 19:47, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The information is useful and encyclopedic. Perhaps the format can be worked on some, the the list could be more tightly defined (such as Law phrases, every day speech phrases, reference phrases, philosophy phrases, etc.). I just think it's good to have because latin phrases can be linked to it. --DanielCD 20:43, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I disagree that this is a bad-faith nomination, but have no objection to the article. However, it should be limited to Latin phrases that are still in use and its name should be changed to something like "Common Latin phrases" or "List of common Latin phrases". -- Kjkolb 20:44, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, I don't think this is necessarily a bad faith nomination... but this is possibly the first useful list I've ever seen on Wikipedia. It's notable in the respect that many of these phrases are used today, particularly as legal jargon. I despise listcruft, but this is good, useful, encyclopedic material.--Isotope23 21:27, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep it! I'm forwarding the link to friends and family. I found a perfect Latin phrase for what I wanted to say here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.96.242.127 (talk • contribs)
• Keep Agreeing with above, this isn't really a definition, more encyclopedic. Beside which, it is well written, so it it were to be removed from here it should be put into the dictionary, but it won't fit well there (as it's a list).
• Keep "Permanently incomplete" is actually a nice definition of true knowledge (or else one might consider deleting Wikipedia ;-)). But I do agree with the point that the article could do with some restructuring, plus a few general explanatory remarks on the history of Latin phrases in English, with links to the appropriate articles. T.a.k. 23:20, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It's useful information. I just looked up per se because I know someone who uses the term with annoying frequency. Permanent incompleteness doesn't seem, prima facie, to be a good reason to delete the article. Do you know what prima facie means? Guess where you can find out? (vote by 203.43.52.195 )
• Keep: I was searching all over the place for a good list of Latin phrases, and this is the best in my opinion! Please keep it! vote by: Lil_Rebbitzen
• Keep - Please, please keep this page. I rely on this list. 22:13, 9 November 2005

Please keep this page, it's very informative and helpful, and a lot of information is available in one source.

• KEEP Well worth its weight in gold. Which, admittedly isn't much, but still worth keeping. >>robertss>>November 9, 2005
• Keep. A very useful list which I personally have used several times. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:34, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, useful list. Punkmorten 16:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep At times I've had trouble understanding articals W/O use of a dictionary, and I don't have a latin dictionary.
• Keep I use this page extensively; it is difficult to find this information. While it may be outside the scope of a typical Wikipedia encyclopedia page, it is hard to find a place where it does fit. This would not be replaced by a dictionary, but a collection of phrases, but the central location is very helpful. It is noteworthy that this page could be divided into categories (law, medicine, historical, etc.). However, deleting it would be folly; I am certain it would simply be recreated.
• Keep, This is an excellent page; its usefullness is indisputable.
• Keep Though I understand long lists might make Wikipedians nervous, this is an extremely useful one, and I think it is encyclopedic enough. --Leapfrog314 04:59, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP Useful list. November 10 2005.
• Keep, though it needs some formatting clean-up that I once proposed but never actually got around to implementing. —HorsePunchKid→龜 05:52, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, An useful list, and should exist to support other pages, but not to be a page for itself. ipridian 15:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, Why delete something usefull!, 15:33 11 November 2005 (EST)

please keep!

• Keep There's ways you can change it to make it better fit Wikipedia, yes. Make it common phrases, or section the phrases. But it has so many references back to it that removing it is nutters, quod vide Smerdis' argument. Tavish 03:51, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Very useful quick reference. 15:00 12 November 2005
• Keep I'm shocked that this page is even being considered for deletion. It may be incomplete, but without anything to add to how will it be expanded. It is a list, but exceptions should be made - Wikipedia would be incomplete without it. --Shastrix 20:56, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, It's too useful a reference to be deleted.
• Keep: the initial premise "Permanently incomplete" is no argument; no such list can be complete, but how many Wikipedia articles are perfect? RachelBrown 22:03, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This is a very notworthy article. --Mb1000 04:01, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: I have relied upon this page so frequently that it is the reason I have begun to contribute to Wikipedia. Peter Johnson (04:46, 13 November 2005 (UTC))
• Keep: Res ipsa loquitor. Laszlo Panaflex 09:34, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, This is a very useful page. It shouldn't be deleted.
• Keep. Good & useful list whether it's complete or not. - splot 13:48, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - De facto. --Kilo-Lima 22:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Ab imo pectore, please keep this! Succeeds in ways that traditional encycopedias fail; res ipsa loquitur. Res ipsa loquitur, sed quid in infernos dicit?!
• Keep I just edited it to fix a minor typo, so now it's new and improved, better than ever! Chris the speller 00:42, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.