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The result of the discussion was Delete--JForget 00:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Jewish Orthodox anti-Zionists[edit]

List of Jewish Orthodox anti-Zionists (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 October 11#Category:Orthodox Jewish Anti-Zionism for related vote to this list. Similarly, this list was created from a deleted category (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 September 24#Category:Jewish Orthodox anti-Zionists and the result was Listify and then Delete.) created by a banned user known for his use of sockpuppets and for creating POV magnets for disputes (Eidah (talk · contribs) a sockpuppet of Daniel575 (talk · contribs)) openly violating WP:POVFORK. This category is only about some Haredi groups and individuals who do not "self-identify" as "Orthodox" nor do the vast majority of Orthodox and Haredi Jews agree with the positions of those extremely fanatical Haredim who are vocally "anti-Zionists" so that the "Orthodox Jewish" is totally inappropriate and redundant as well. During a recent vote Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 August 22#Category:Orthodox Jewish Anti-Zionism a number of editors suggested that that category be renamed to a more specific name. If this article cannot be renamed to List of Haredi anti-Zionists then it should be deleted so as not to benefit a Troll (Internet), see WP:TROLL IZAK 16:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Rename or Delete for above reasons. IZAK 16:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions. IZAK 16:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nom. Yossiea ^(talk) 16:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete If these seven blue-links aren't in an article about Orthodox Jewish Anti-Zionism, they don't rate a separate (useless) list like this one. Mandsford 16:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak-delete The category needs to be edited, most listed are NK, but to leave Reb Yoilish ZT"L, Rav Shternbuch SHLIT"A, and Rav Miller ZT"L. --Shuliavrumi 02:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, when there will be a List of Jewish Orthodox Zionists, then an Admin must undelete this.--יודל 15:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Avi 15:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I cannot understand the reason proposed for deletion of this article. The article is a list of Orthodox Jewish anti-Zionists. Is anything wrong with that? What difference does it make who created the article—surely it stands or falls on its own merits? The persons listed most certainly do identify as Orthodox Jews—is this seriously in dispute? --Redaktor 10:40, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • whats so hard to understand that a list is different from an article?, an article is nothing but the subject itself, a list is more of a editing process and less about the subject like a normal issue, u have to really ask yourself is this an issue? 5 jews who have some opinion? are that important to have their own article about their opinion? i don't think so, but if Izak or any other Zionist editor will make a list of Jews who have a Zionist opinion i will recreate this list as well. because than i believe those 5 are just as important as the other Jews.--יודל 15:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Rename This category implies that these people are all Orthodox and they have gone too far from what "Orthodox Judaism" defines. Haredi Anti-Zionist might be a better title, but not all Haredim are Anti-Zionist. I mean, they might not agree with Zionism but they won't ever shake hands with Ahmadinejad! But the people listed are definitely anti-Zionist and the world is aware of that. Why isn't it renamed "List of Anti-Zionist Jews"? --JewBask 12:23, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unreferenced original research. `'Míkka 22:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. --MPerel 05:37, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.