The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Wow, there are quite a few weak arguments here. On the one hand, "it's interesting" isn't a valid reason to keep the article. On the other hand, "total cruft" is not a well thought-out rationale. And as there are too many comments to justify a relist, I'm unable to determine consensus. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 00:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Countries With Their First Major League Player[edit]

List of Countries With Their First Major League Player (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Although possibly interesting, is this list of any practical use ? (whether practical use is a factor in determining inclusion is another matter...) CultureDrone (talk) 15:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I'm new at this but this seems pretty notable to me. It also appears to me as a good reference point. I decided to do this because i was looking for the information. I also think that if this is linked to some MLB articles it will grow. Maybe by someone that knows this stuff better than i do.Passedflatus (talk) 17:40, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, trivial WP:LISTCRUFT of interest to a very little number of people. No-one in Afghanistan is going to care where their compatriots play baseball. Benefix (talk) 17:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's interesting that you mentioned afghanistan, because war is probably the biggest factor in making baseball the global sport it is today. Besides i think that baseball fans in other countries like Japan or Venezuela are probably curious who is the first major leaguer from their country.Passedflatus (talk) 23:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep It is interesting and no worse than lots of other lists on WP. It could actually be useful to researchers on baseball history. Redddogg (talk) 18:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete LISTCRUFT! Spiesr (talk) 18:14, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Total cruft. Vistro (talk) 23:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete OK, I guess Original research. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 00:36, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Original research? It is all referenced from an independent source. Original research is meant to prevent a user's own opinions, experiences, and arguments. These are merely facts. If you count this article as original research then half of all our Major League Baseball stuff would have to go in the waste basket. Kingturtle (talk) 02:55, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • You're right. However, the entry for USA is bogus. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 06:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I modified the USA entry to point to the first game in 1871. The retrosheet page doesn't have the box score, but does list all the players who debuted that day, and presumably all or most of them count. And I can't be voting "delete" on an article I'm modifying, now can I? :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 07:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Information such as "first major league player from Cuba" is frequently mentioned in Wikipedia articles and elsewhere, so it is useful to organize this information in a list. References have been added, so the list now meets Wikipedia policies for verifiability and notability guidelines. BRMo (talk) 02:51, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• DEFINITELY keep this. This is a terrific idea for an article. It is referenced, and it is finite. It is of interest. I'm only sorry I didn't think of this first. Kingturtle (talk) 02:55, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Don't let the fact that this was created by a brand new user prejudice you against this article. Don't let the fact that the new user's name is Diarrheachacha prejudice you either. Kingturtle (talk) 02:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Or that the user's new name was also blocked, in fact he's been blocked from editing his own talk page. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 06:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Referenced and interesting. Borgarde (talk) 07:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This is an interesting list, though it could use some work. My only two problems are that the title of the article is confusing and Baseball Almanac is generally not considered a WP:RS, but those could easily/obviously be fixed. blackngold29 14:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Agreed on both counts with the above. I was concerned about this article on first look because of the use of B-A, but if WP:BASEBALL project members feel it can be solved, I certainly won't stand in the way. Keep - KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 14:49, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Interesting and useful. I wonder if a less awkward title could be found, but the list should be kept and expanded. Rlendog (talk) 21:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and rename -- Perhaps List of the first players by nationality to play Major League Baseball? caknuck _° remains gainfully employed 01:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, seems pretty arbitrary to me. It's interesting, but is it encyclopaedic? Should someone create List of Countries With Their First Fußball-Bundesliga Player next? --Conti|✉ 01:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.