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The result was Withdrawn by nominator‎. (non-admin closure) Scorpions1325 (talk) 03:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa Jahn[edit]

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Notability not established under WP:NATHLETE which says for this category of competitor Significant coverage is likely to exist for athletes from any sport if they have won a medal at the modern Olympic Games, including the Summer Olympics (since 1896) or the Winter Olympics (since 1924)... This competitor did not achieve a medal and is not presumed notable. Will bundle several other Olympics canoeists who likewise did not medal. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Teruko Kiriake
Manaka Kubota
Sophie Koch (canoeist)
Katherin Nuevo
Daniela Cociu
Maria Olărașu

Bundled additional non-medaling canoeist articles listed above. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:49, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment regarding "non-medaling". Jahn won medals at the World Championships, which is a level equal to the Olympics, only in different years. Same with Nuevo. I therefore opine to procedurally keep the two and focus the discussion on people who really are non-medalists. Geschichte (talk) 22:16, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, and Germany. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Japan, Moldova, and Cuba. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep. Probably a majority of modern Olympians will have significant coverage in their native country - it is inappropriate to bundle seven different Olympians of different countries with different accomplishments (some seem to be world champs, etc.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:51, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Olympics-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep both for procedural grounds but also on merit. I did a bit of looking into Manaka Kubota since with my Japanese skills I'd have a decent chance of finding sources. We're talking about an athlete with profile and coverage from NHK [1], Yomiuri [2], Nikkei [3], multiple posts in Sanspo [4], News [5]. The idea that she wouldn't meet the notability threshold is absurd. Given nom's failure to do a search on this one, I doubt they have on the others. DCsansei (talk) 09:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
User:DCsansei, I don't speak Japanese but this doesn't look like WP:SIGCOV to me. Can you clarify your argument? Are you saying these are SIGCOV, or are you saying that SIGCOV in offline/older sources likely exists given this modern coverage? Suriname0 (talk) 16:34, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Very important to keep in mind that significant coverage in Japanese will appear much shorter to English-native editors, just as a function of how the language works and style of writing even in newspapers which tends to stick to facts much more than Western outlets. See for example this article. I do think additional SIGCOV exists but I think that the coverage from the national TV channel, Sanspo, Yomiuri Shinbun among others does meet the minimum for notability without finding more. DCsansei (talk) 17:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None of those are close to SIGCOV, even if we were to give some kind of exception for the depth of Japanese sources (which we should not, because notability is exclusively derived from the amount and depth of IRS SIGCOV, not the importance of someone's achievements). The first is the standard athlete blurb derived from their sports org's website N. The second is a stats page with no secondary coverage N. The third is a passing mention N. The fourth is a press release N. The fifth looks like a local-interest community news story, though I can't access the whole thing. Like all GNG-predicting SNGs, NSPORT standards demand NOTNEWS is met, which means routine reports are not considered SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 18:05, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is "keep for merit" a rationale at AfD? I thank JoelleJay for the source analysis is great, and will say BEFORE found similar routine coverage of the others, this is a good example. Jahn and Nuevo's WC medals notwithstanding; I accept the "procedural keep" on those two suggested by the first AfD response. Note that the language spoken in Moldova is Romanian, so I searched on the Latin characters for the two Moldovan names which seems to work OK (i.e. Cyrillic not required). ☆ Bri (talk) 18:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As a gold medalist at world competitions equal to the Olympics, Katherin Nuevo is at a different level than some of the others. This is why bundling nominations does not work. WP:SPORTSPERSON says, "A sportsperson is presumed to be notable if the person has won a significant honor". There are sources in place that document this honor. Looks like Lisa Jahn also received medals at world-level competitions. Again, this merits a Wikipedia article. I endorse the suggestion to withdraw this nomination and submit each person individually. Rublamb (talk) 20:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is a reasonable request. I withdraw the bundled nomination. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:18, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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