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The result was Withdrawn. GlassCobra 17:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Sawyer[edit]

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Article on young footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE as he's never played a first team game. The article made the claim that he has, but the reference provided did not state so, so I prodded the article. It was then deprodded and a new link to a BBC story claiming one first team apperance was added. However, I believe the BBC are mistaken. Their own statistics page claims zero apperances, as does soccerbase. The match report from the game that he supposedly played in also confirms that he did not play. пﮟოьεԻ 57 18:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. пﮟოьεԻ 57 18:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to withdraw as he has now played for Southend.[1] пﮟოьεԻ 57 23:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete until and unless he plays in the first team. Stifle (talk) 19:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Obviously people are misinterpreting "made a substitute appearance" as meaning he came on as a substitute, when it actually means that he was named on the bench but did not play. – PeeJay 20:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The man is under contract and has been with the team since the age of 9. It's probably only a matter of time before an official and substantiable game appearance occurs. --Mr Accountable (talk) 21:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • That sounds like WP:CRYSTAL balling to me. For all we know, he may break his leg in training and never play professionally. We have WP:ATHLETE for a reason. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - ESPN Soccernet also doesn't list any league appearances, [2] meaning he fails WP:ATHLETE. When he plays an official match for Chelsea Southend United or another pro club, this can be recreated. Giants2008 (17-14) 21:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Has played in one professional game, so he now satisfies the notability guideline. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:22, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as per WP:ATHLETE and WP:CRYSTAL. doktorb _words^deeds 21:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Per nom. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 03:12, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep for now. Player was only sent to a 3rd tier team a few hours ago. Surely before spending the time to involve everyone in an AfD one should assume good faith rather than being pointy and see if he is going to be playing. Let's evaluate based on Friday's game and then worry if it should be deleted or not. There is little point removing content that we are likely going to have to restore. Nfitz (talk) 07:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The AfD won't close until the day of Southend's next game, and obviously I will withdraw the AfD if he plays. I'm getting quite tired of your attacks on my motivations for AfDs - there is no WP:POINT-making here. As I've said many times before, the real problems are (a) editors creating articles before people meet the critiera, and (even worse), editors deprodding articles that clearly fail the criteria (as you have done at least 15 times in the last month - 11 articles from which have already been deleted after AfDs). Restoring is no effort at all compared to having an AfD forced upon us all. I'm not going to add tens of articles to my watchlist and then check back in a week/fortnight/month to see if they have played or not. If they haven't played, then there shouldn't be an article. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails both WP:ATHLETE and the general notability criteria. There is little point creating content which fails the most basic of the criteria for inclusion. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:ATHLETE. Recreate if and when he makes a fully-pro appearance. --Jimbo^[online] 09:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note to closing admin - he has now played for Southend[3], so most of the delete 'votes' are no longer applicable. PhilKnight (talk) 17:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - he's played for Southend now. Bart133 ^{t c @ How's my driving?} 01:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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