The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. There were two delete votes and no well-formed keep votes. There was some 'keep' sentiment expressed informally, mostly by newcomers to Wikipedia, but it did not appear to be based on Wikipedia policy. Those arguing for keep did not offer arguments phrased in terms of the criteria of WP:MUSIC. EdJohnston (talk) 23:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last November[edit]

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Band is not notable. No specific references verify what is written. The only independent reference provided, New Music Weekly, does not link to anything that specifically mentions the band — it just links to the home page of the site, and a search of the site turns up nothing about the group. The other citations are to AllMusic which merely proves the band exists, the band's MySpace (see this page), and the label's web site page about the band. None of those can be considered reliable, independent sources because they are controlled by the band itself, its label, or others with a vested interest in the band. This band is not signed by a major label or well-known indie. It has not placed a song on a major chart. It does not inherit notability from its producers (as the original author claims) or anyone outside the band itself. Therefore, it fails Wikipedia's notability policies for bands and the article should be deleted, without prejudice toward re-creation if the band "hits it big" later on. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 23:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The New Music Weekly link does mention the band. It is a voting page. Therefore you have to click on the drop down menu which lists the nominees for "new top 40 group of the year" Last November is listed there along with Seether and other notable acts.

Specify what a big indie label is. Southern Tracks Records has had very notable artists in the past. Southern Tracks Records also owns Bill Lowery Music Publishing Group which has thousands of songs in its catalogue including Last Novembers songs. Bill Lowery was an extremely important figure in Georgia's music history and was the first non-performer inducted into the georgia music hall of fame. Therefore, Southern Tracks Records is a notable independent label.

The New Music Weekly Charts are notable and respected charts. Last November's new single impacted only a few weeks ago and is at number 63 on the top 100.

Robert pillgraham (talk) 23:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)— Robert pillgraham (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]


Question: Are you related to Luke Pilgrim? How did you hear of this band, and what is your relationship to it? Thanks!   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 23:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Hi, I only recently joined Wikipedia. Like many, however, I use it frequently for information. One of my friends and I who happen to be big fans of Last November realized they were one of the few newer Indy bands we're into (and more popular, might I add), that didn't have a Wikipedia entry. Therefore, we decided to add a section, and are slowly contributing to it as we get some free time. I would appreciate it if you would stop deleting the thread, because the band is played on the radio and tours, and is *officially* up for nomination as a top 40 band with NMW, a HUGE group in the industry. Their site tracks spins, rankings, etc. Again, they are far more prominent than many of the bands I listen to that I've found entries for, even some with full albums with their own entry. This is a pretty frustrating first experience adding onto Wikipedia, I must add. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daguitaristz (talk • contribs) 02:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC) — Daguitaristz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

and isn't the point of Wikipedia to provide a bank of truthful knowledge to computer users? There's no promotion or advertisement going on here. I just don't see where a policy is being broken. To be frank, I believe some of these self-proclaimed Wikipedia police have let their "position" go to their heads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daguitaristz (talk • contribs) 21:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC) — Daguitaristz (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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