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The result was no consensus. --Coredesat 08:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Krystal Steal[edit]

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Apparently fails notablity criteria for porn stars. w^{L<speak·check>} 02:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong delete. I'm sure she may be a treat in the buff (not that I'm inagining her naked), but on Wikipedia she's nothing to write an article about. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 03:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep per Corpx' discoveries of not one, but two awards. I'm not sure about the notability of those awards, but just the fact that she's won two awards of any kind may be enough to pass here. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 03:41, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:PORNBIO, but succeeds in exciting TenPoundHammer :P Giggy _U^CP 03:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Hey now, I just said "May be"... Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps)))} 03:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • That was funny. the_undertow ^talk 03:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Delete Fails WP:PORNBIO. The subject in question had won any adult movie awards. She has also not yet made any unique contributions to any pornographic film. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 03:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per all of the above. Fails all notability criteria, not covered in secondary sources, etc. etc. Valrith 03:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep !!! She's pretty famous! She won Best new StarletADULT LINK! and Starlet of the year ADULT LINK! Definitely passes WP:PORNBIO Corpx 03:27, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that those are Night Moves awards, not AVN awards. Not much notability there... Valrith 03:41, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • True, but she's a "contract girl", meaning she has an exclusive contract with a company. Only the bigger names have exclusive contracts with companies. Corpx 03:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • How notable is the Night Moves Awards anyway. I've never really heard of it? Is it notable under Wikipedia's standards? If not, then they don't really count here. Where's its WP article? --w^{L<speak·check>} 04:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Its been going on for 14 or 15 years, so that should attest some notability Corpx 04:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• It almost goes against something in my genetics to delete this article. I need some consensus here: are these notable awards? the_undertow ^talk 03:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's the rub. Tabercil 03:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. Tabercil 03:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:PORNBIO. Epbr123 10:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. We have independent, apparently reliable sources. This seems to make her notable. JulesH 12:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:PORNBIO. I'm sure if she works hard, she can win an AVN Award and deserve an article, but until then Wikipedia must consider her to be one actress among thousands in a large worldwide industry. To the previous editor JulesH: we have independent reliable sources of the actresses EXISTENCE, but that's not what's in question. I can prove that I exist as well, but that doesn't mean I deserve an article in the encyclopedia. -Markeer 14:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:N and WP:BIO both use a definition of notability that suggests that the existence of significant reliable independent sources about a person makes them notable. WP:PORNBIO explicitly doesn't override this definition, it just provides clarification. This person meets the definition of notable at WP:N and WP:BIO. JulesH 16:30, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Your definition of "significant" is woefully inadequate. Try www.m-w.com. There is no significant coverage of this person in independent sources. Valrith 17:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • No need to look up significant. Its already defined in WP:N as ""Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than trivial but less than exclusive." Corpx 17:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as she appears to have won an award. -- fdewaele, 22 July 2007, 18:11 (CET)
• Delete - winning an award from "Florida's Premier Adult Magazine" doesn't seem significant enough to me to automatically meet WP:PORNBIO and I see nothing else to tip the scale. -- DS1953 ^talk 22:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Is this a fair summary? Krystal Steal has won an adult film award; this is documented by at least a few reliable, independent sources. However, there is still some discussion as to whether this is a "well-known" award (to borrow the phrase from WP:PORNBIO). Corpx has suggested that these awards have been going on for 15 years, but even the Night Moves home page describes themselves as limited to one US state.

  A couple of questions: anybody wanna step up an make an article about Night Moves or the Night moves awards? (Neither currently exists.) Does anyone know of any sources that describe the Night Moves awards as "well-known" or "significant" or some other superlative? PornWatcher 05:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, this AFD hinges on the notability of the Night Moves awards. I'd say yes due to the 15 year tenure, plus the national coverage it received from porn coverage sites like AVN.com Corpx 05:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep She is a subject of significant coverage in at least one reliable source, AVN, and I'm sure others could be dug up somewhere, or NightMoves could count as a second reliable source. Does it help that her film Krystal Method is listed in The AVN Guide to the 500 Greatest Adult Films of All Time? Might this satisfy the WP:PORNBIO criterion "Did the performer star in an iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature?" Also she is the first ClubJenna contract girl, which might satisfy "Is the performer noted for beginning a trend in pornography?" This isn't some random porn starlet we're talking about here. She might be at the fringes of notability as far as Wikipedia policies are concerned, but I think she is definitely notable in a real-world sense. DHowell 02:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.