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The result was Delete. Chetblong^{T C} 01:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan Spence[edit]

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Fails notability test for footballers - he had not made an appearance for a senior team in the FNLP. Checking the club site seems to suggest he hasn't even been selected for the reserve side. Fredrick day (talk) 17:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Amble coverage in sources, has captained his country at various youth level tournaments. Catchpole (talk) 17:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Which the agreed notability criteria on footballers say is not enough - you have to have a cap at senior level to qualify. --Fredrick day (talk) 17:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Notability criteria are not binding. This is an encyclopedia. When sources exist they should be used. Catchpole (talk) 18:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • In any case WP:FOOTYN is only an essay and is overruled by WP:BIO. John Hayes^talk 12:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. robwingfield ^«T•C» 19:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - has not made an appearance in a fully professional league, so fails WP:ATHLETE. Consensus has been reached that youth caps only apply for notability at U21 level and above. robwingfield ^«T•C» 19:34, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - mainly as per Robwingfield as above, and I'd even go further and say U/21 caps are not notable enough! - fchd (talk) 19:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Robwingfield. GiantSnowman (talk) 19:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - per nom. -- Alexf⁴² 19:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:BIO#Athletes. пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. BanRay 22:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:FOOTY notability criteria. Peanut4 (talk) 03:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per current notability criteria he fails. He has a 1st team squad number and is playing at the highest England level for his age, has a profile on the FA page but is unlikely to play first team this season. My only comment is that this deletion seems very selective. How do articles for Stephen Darby, Dean Bouzanis, Lauri Dalla Valle and (!) Liverpool F.C. Reserves and Academy (to name but a few) still exist? Is this 'big 4' bias on Wikipedia?--Egghead06 (talk) 09:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • • Comment The Prod for deletion for Dean Bouzanis lasted less than 2 hours and has been removed on the grounds that he has played for 2 international youth teams. This deletion is an emotive subject - if edits wars are not to break out surely rules need widening especially for under 20's?--Egghead06 (talk) 11:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - there's no bias, it may simply be that no one spotted those articles. I've now proposed the player articles for deletion. robwingfield ^«T•C» 09:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd like us to avoid getting into a Bryan Arguez situation where everyone changes their vote because the player plays one game. It seems more sensible to me to adopt a wait-and-see approach for young players who have achieved verifiable success at youth levels and with professional contracts who are waiting for their opportunity to break through into the first team. Catchpole (talk) 11:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment I happen to agree with the option of wait and see especially for young (i.e. Under 20) players such as Jordan Spence. However this is the 3rd time his article has been Prod'ed and if the only criteria are the ones agreed upon, I am tired of saving the article. This deletion campaign does seem over zealous but rules is rules! I have looked though today and found dozens of articles on young players which could be marked for deletion. A final thought - surely if the management of a professional football team sees merit in a player sufficiently to give that player a 1st team squad number then they must think he is notable and yet that isn't good enough for Wiki? --Egghead06 (talk) 11:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Weak Keep Has one independent reliable source, and lots of non-independent reliable sources, I would be happier in keeping it if it had another independent one. Just about passes WP:BIO#Basic criteria. John Hayes^talk 12:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:FOOTY/Notability and WP:ATHLETE,the article can be recreated if/when he makes his professional debut. English peasant 01:23, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.