The result was delete. No doubt this is going to Deletion Review but I think the close is relativelty straightforward. The keep side have produced sources but they appear to be from non-RSs, are passing mentions or are not specifically about the subject. The korean sources in particular have been well analysed and they do not meet RS. This leaves a keep argument based on being head of a theological seminary. The policy on this is clear. The head of of a majot academic institution is notable. An institution with 100 students is not a major institution and none of the keep adherants have shown any consensus elsewhere on wikipedia that refutes this. This leave us with the delete arguments. The primary one being the lack of sourcing,, This is a clear problem for the article. No decent reliable sources have been adduced and its clear that a thorough search for them has taken place. This defaults to delete. I would also note that subguidelines like prof are predicated that their notability criteria actually indicate individuals who will be covered in reliable sources. This essentially means that when a thorough search for sources has drawn a blank then the subguidelines is weakened compared to the main notability guidelines which asserts the need for sources. This is why, in any dispute over the primacy of a reliability guideline GNG always trumps the subguideline. Anyway, the policy based arguments here are the delete votes. Spartaz Humbug! 03:44, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:ACADEMIC as head of a small seminary, fails WP:BIO absent coverage in third-party sources. (Cited sources are either not third-party or not coverage of Stephen; quoting him in an article about a fellow churchgoer is not coverage of him.) Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 21:05, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As far as whether the subject is, as Sidefall alleges, a notable figure in British Christianity, a search on Google News UK for "Jonathan Stephen" + "Affinity," the evangelical organization the article states he heads, turns up zero hits. Ravenswing 11:24, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Several have commented above that his college is not a "major academic institution" and that he is consequently not notable. However, there is now some level of precedent, established mainly by what might be called the "rosh yeshiva" argument (see e.g. recent cases here and here) that even small religious colleges are "major academic institutions". I have argued against this interpretation in the past, but am certainly willing to abide by what seems to be an emerging consensus. Agricola44 (talk) 03:59, 14 May 2011 (UTC).[reply]
As for the BCSE article - please note that it cites Wikipedia. While I think that BCSE can be a reliable source, that specific article cites Wikipedia extensively. That's a big problem for any source. Its mention of Stephen is also very much passing mention. For those reasons I don't think it should be used. Guettarda (talk) 17:45, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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My Korean is quite sketchy at most, and so I've done as much as I can to gain somewhat of an understanding.
Hope that helps. A note that I can't really conceretely say whether a site is a valid reliable source or not; I'll leave that judgment to you. I am unsure of what to make of these, and I cannot solidly confirm anything, so you might take my words with a grain of salt; it's up to you on how you interpret the above. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 04:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply] |
Based on his analysis, I conclude that the sources, which are mostly partisan, are unreliable for a biography of a living person. After reading the commentary by Roscelese (talk · contribs), I believe that this article should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 22:57, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Christianity Today
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Is Christianity Today Magazine a reliable source on third parties? In particular is it a reliable source on Islamic countries, or citizens from Islamic countries? This shows that it is a non-objective source. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a very good resource for Christians and those seeking healing. But don't think its a good source for wikipedia.Bless sins (talk) 00:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Biased sources are not equivalent to unreliable sources. While bias can obviously affect reliability, it is not a question that should be resolved by using other sources to disprove their points and cast them as "unreliable". That is an approach contrary to our only founding content principle: NPOV (see m:Foundation issues). Generally, the use of biased sources should be evaluated based on proper weight. For example, extremist sources are often considered unreliable, but the clearest (and most fundamental) principle excluding them from use is NPOV, which excludes extreme minority views. All that said, the reason question at hand in this case is whether or not the evangelical Christian perspective is significant enough for inclusion in the article in question. Vassyana (talk) 18:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply] |