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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 18:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John L. Lee[edit]

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Subject was supposedly "a Central Intelligence Agency field operative involved in a covert military intelligence rogue operation undertaken by the CIA" ... "By the age of 21, Lee had become one of the primary high value assassination targets of the KGB First Chief Directorate in South East Asia.", etc. The article on the film Spy Game claims that a character played by Brad Pitt may have been based on Lee.

This was nominated for speedy deletion, but it seems reasonable under the circumstances to bump it to AFD: It has incoming links, makes assertions of notability, but is unreferenced and concerns a possibly living person making claims which are sensitive unless sourced. I don't find any hits on Google for anything resembling reliable sources. Pharamond 09:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No sources provided in the article, thus nothing can be verified. Also, the article was created by an anon user who only edited for one day and then never returned [1]. My guess is that this is a hoax article. It was wikilinked by a well meaning editor, not the creator of the article. --Cyrus Andiron 13:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I don't know where I could find a source for this, but keeping an article with these assertions really needs to be sourced before it is added per WP:BIO. Slavlin 16:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Somebody who knows about these things should take a look at the two articles on operations which link to this one: Project Pale Horse and Phoenix Program. Pharamond 16:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete PHOENIX, the CIA's assassination program in South Vietnam, is absolutely notable and largely verifiable (for instance). I can't find anything credible about Pale Horse, though, or Lee. I'm leaning toward WP:HOAX, but this at least fails WP:V that I can see. --Dhartung | Talk 20:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please note that a very large part of the Phoenix Program article appears to consist of material contributed in 2005 by IPs beginning with 207.118, similar to the ones that created the John L. Lee and Project Pale Horse articles at roughly the same time. Just removing the links is probably insufficient. (I will add a comment to Talk:Phoenix Program). Pharamond 05:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Excellent detective work, Pharamond. I agree that more than a few links may need to be removed. --Dhartung | Talk 01:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Unless there is some source somewhere I don't see how we can keep it under BLP, and from the nature of the notability claimed we can't really expect sources.DGG 02:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, it doesn't seem to be verifiable. Plus, I highly doubt the CIA would let out facts about a active op. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carbonmotion (talk • contribs) 17:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

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