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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 04:40, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Francis (songwriter)

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This article about a singer-songwriter fails to meet notability through WP:COMPOSER or WP:MUSIC (relevant to COMPOSER #4 is that only award mentioned is for "promising" songwriters according to the award website) or, apparently, any other way. Novaseminary (talk) 03:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 13:06, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - ~~very marginal either way.~~ [see below] I PRODed the article a month or so ago when another article on a different John Francis was up for deletion and this article was mentioned. That article was deleted but I deprodded this article after efforts were made to establish notability. I am not convinced, now, that notability has been established: the Sammy Cahn Award is for "a promising lyricist from The ASCAP Foundation Songwriter Workshop Series" [my emphasis]. Thus, it fails WP:MUSIC as it is for "emerging talent" as noted by the nom. My vote is probably Delete but I'll have to check further before committing. Note also that there are a number of songwriters called John Francis, it would seem, so the Google searches will either need to be further refined or manually checked for mis-hits --Jubilee♫clipman 15:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There are actually only 36 Google hits for the above combination. I even tried without the dab and checked through manually. None of my searches establish notability, indeed I mainly ended up at Wiki-mirrors and social networking sites alongside a few personal sites etc. Google News returns only what appears to be a minor school event and even then only mentions the subject in passing. Definate NN, I would say --Jubilee♫clipman 16:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Jubileeclipman - not yet sufficiently notable to pass our inclusion guidelines. Robofish (talk) 15:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - Of the websites used as references, the ASCAP and the UN seem ok, the PJC is okish, and CD Baby is iffy. I'm a bit concenred however, that if there are indeed several singer/songwriters of the same namethat where some of these sites mention just the name John FRancis, are we dealing with the sameone? Is it a questione of the references having been made to fit the article? (this is not an accusation, but we don't know this). Under BLP rules, we can't afford to give the article the benefit of doubt.--Kudpung (talk) 22:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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