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The result was KEEP. although a shaky start on COI grounds, independent notability established cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Cara[edit]

COI biography apparently authored by subject's media relations consultant. (Author's only other bio edit was a speedily-deleted article, Neil S. Kaye, admittedly written on a client's behalf; this article follows the same pattern.) The article is completely unsourced and does not demonstrate notability in any single field. While it mentions a number of mildly interesting activities, they do not collectively meet WP:BIO. The only sourced incident is a prank regarding auto registrations that received some trivial news coverage. Author has also inserted subject's name into at least two other articles. Delete. MCB (talk) 06:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article was created by myself and a group of others that respect Jim from what he has brought to the national music retail industry. He is the PT Barnum in the music instrument industry and the Zelig behind the success of so many MIDI initiatives that he has many substantial awards. His recent radio program is the first music / talk program that integrates musical industry equipment (musical instruments) information into how those songs were recorded, and also answers questions about those instruments.

We thought that inserting names into other subjects that he is affiliated with was protocol. Once we showed Jim's article to another notable (DR Kaye)in our area, he encouraged us to do the same for him.

Jim is exceptionally notable in the Musical Instrument industry and secondly Motorcycle Drag Racing industry, where he was seen weekly as the expert for AMA on ESPN and The Outdoor Channel. Yes we know him, and respect him. How shall we create and maintain a good relationship with you. He is incredibly sourced in the Motorcycle Drag Racing industry, but much more successful in the MI world.

We will delete the Dr. Kaye article and abide by your rules. Please don't hurt Mr. Cara for any of this. He deserves a place in this, and we will better address his credibility with references. Newssource19805 (talk) 06:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some sources for Musical Instrument Industry http://www.caramedia.com/resume/MI_resume.pdf pages 17-26 has a bunch of reprints Much of it was in print media. How can we REF this? Shall we ask him to send us things like magazine and newspaper names and print dates then http://www.pgmusic.com/review10.htm
http://www.projectbarbq.com/bbq96.htm - here he is listed with the most important in the industry in 1996
http://www.pgmusic.com/review3.htm

Here are sources for Drag Racing http://www.amadirectlink.com/amrace/SponsorshipGuide.asp
http://www.dragbike.com/news/02-03/020503a.htm
http://www.usridernews.com/past_issues/2005PastIssues/Apr05/National%2065-76.pdf
http://www.motorcyclingwa.org.au/files/Sponsorship%20money%20all%20around.pdf
Newssource19805 (talk) 06:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I have looked through all this information and while the subject has certainly done a lot of different things, none of them really seem to be terribly noteworthy. At best the subject seems to be associated with notable people, but that's in itself isn't a claim to notability. Trusilver 07:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, This is Jim Cara, and I don't know where to start here, but I'll just say a few wods and wait for your response. I read all that someone had written here and saw they neglected to write about what originally brought me to the forefront of Musical Industry attention. I was the first person to use modem-modem communications, in the pre-internet days in order to allow long distance composing and collaboration by musicians using MIDI. This was the kickstart to what turned into a colorful and Zelig / Forest Gump style career. I would hate for a overdose of fat to ruin what my contribution to the music industry really was.

How can I assure that this article is correctly edited and put to the best use of Wikipedia. Most of my things were Pre-Internet and not much digital is available for reference.. 76.99.174.254 (talk) 15:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Off-line resources is acceptable as sourcing. As long as the sources are publicly available. Ie. sources that you can expect to find at the local library is OK. Taemyr (talk) 23:54, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The article began with a promotional flavor, but the biography that underlies it is notable and merits inclusion. I've made a first pass at tightening--maybe too much tightening--someone with more knowledge of early MIDI should have a look.--Wageless (talk) 17:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Delaware Governor's Achievement Award recipient. That alone makes him worthy of note, or notable. « D. Trebbien (talk) 03:56 2008 February 4 (UTC)

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