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The result was delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 23:55, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jeramie Kling[edit]

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Unremarkable musician, unnotable outside the band he's in. Contested redirect, speedy, and prod. No significant coverage outside the group, no references, little independent coverage. MikeWazowski (talk) 03:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• i will begin by offering links of his relevance

• Crush Drums (his drum companies website)
• Studio interview (about his studio)
• studio reference
• from his music label for the absence
• Infernaeon (another signed band he plays in)
• yet another studio reference (about his studio)

(all of his videos for a both bands)

• video 1
• video 2
• video 3
• video 4

So I strongly disagree with this mike guy. not notable according to whom? this man is quite popular in many circles. I think that i have provided sufficient evidence of my case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herehaveablast (talk • contribs) 04:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

sorry forgot my signature here it is.....I am new to this --Herehaveablast (talk) 04:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Let's go through your sources:

• Crush Drums (his drum companies website)

This source is not independent of the subject. Articles on Wikipedia require sources that are independent of the subject to support notability so as to avoid bias or language that is promotional.

• Studio interview (about his studio)

This source is acceptable, but it comes from a magazine that specializes in death metal in Florida State, so its scope is limited.

• studio reference

I'm a little dubious of this source because of the disclaimer at the bottom of the page:

BLABBERMOUTH.NET is run and operated independently of Roadrunner Records. The accuracy of the information contained herein is neither confirmed nor guaranteed by Roadrunner Records, and the views and opinions of authors expressed on these pages do not necessarily state or reflect those of Roadrunner Records or its employees.

• from his music label for the absence

His label has a financial interest in Kling's success, so this source is not independent.

• Infernaeon (another signed band he plays in)

Also not independent for obvious reasons.

• yet another studio reference (about his studio)

Kling produced an album for this band, so their reviews of him cannot possibly be independent, either.

• (All of the videos of his music)

...are not good sources because we cannot judge notability based on the fact that he plays music or has it on YouTube.

So, unless you can provide sources that are independent of the subject that provide in-depth coverage of Kling, I support deletion of the article. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 05:03, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete and make Jeramie Kling a redirect to The Absence. I'm the one who removed the BLPPROD yesterday, and I did a smidge of cleanup on the article, but though there are sources enough to save him from BLPPROD, there just aren't sufficient sources that I can find that establish any actual notability. Most of the news mentions are passing references to his name in relation to coverage of the band he's in, and as Jethrobot points out, the mostly-PR sources suggested above also aren't useful in establishing notability. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 13:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So how many pages do you need? you MUST HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER IN MIND............ two are notable then you discredited them.........just because you DONT LIKE METAL doesnt mean there is no relevance.. here is another link to a wikipedia page where he is mentioned. [tide] --Herehaveablast (talk) 14:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Herehaveablast, have you read our policies on general notability, musician notability, and reliable sources? If you haven't, please do - they will probably answer some of your questions about why people are using the reasons that they are here. Also, please remember to assume good faith of your fellow editors - it's unlikely that anyone is doing anything because they don't like metal; it's more likely that they're doing it because they think it helps Wikipedia. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 14:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 15:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Delete as A7. Two sentences, no references, no demonstration of notability. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 15:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

well guys its really not worth the argue I suppose. You all have superior computer knowledge and a clear agenda. So I will not be able to come back against it. unfortunately you people run your website like this and I am shoked about this.I have always gone to wikipedia always. I will not be making that same mistake. He will have his own page one day. until then do what you must. have a good one.

--70.126.127.134 (talk) 13:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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