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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) czar · · 04:52, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jasuben Pizza[edit]

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The article/organization fails Wiki Notability guidelines as per Wikipedia:Organizations. Also refer WP:NOTNEWS. The only claim to fame is Narendra Modi stopped by to eat from the joint, the news report about which are cited as the only references. Jethwarp (talk) 02:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Cameron11598 (Converse) 03:01, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Cameron11598 (Converse) 03:01, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: meets WP:GNG by the sources in the article, specifically this one and this one. Both are substantial pieces on the restaurant, and do not primarily deal with the Narendra Modi endorsement. Even if the articles were inspired by Modi's endorsement, this does not damn the subject to deletion under WP:NOTNEWS. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 03:21, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep vide user above. AshLin (talk) 03:29, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I still disagree. Going by the same news article cited [1], if this article passes Wiki organization critertia then I or someone would like to make article page on Induben Khakrawala, Derani-Jethani's ice creams and Maasi's Panipur, which are also cited in news article referred above. Every city in India has several such famous names. I still have doubt it passes WP:ORG Jethwarp (talk) 04:29, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Response No, because the mentions of those three businesses in that article are trivial, whereas the coverage of Jasuben Pizza in both the above articles is substantial. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 04:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(reply) - The women Narendra Modi extolled, and one he did not cited as source mentions also Induben Khakhravala in as much details as Jasuben. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jethwarp (talk • contribs) 04:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So what? That has no bearing on the fact that this subject meets WP:GNG. If you think WP:GNG is incorrect, I respectfully suggest you instead work towards reforming notability guidelines. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 07:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. Jethwarp (talk) 05:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please place this on WP:INB also. AshLin (talk) 06:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Meets WP:CORPDEPTH per [2], [3]. Northamerica1000^(talk) 07:23, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Meets noteworthiness criteria. ALSO, I was *actually* going to create an article for Induben Khakhra because it is an Indian local business akin to any other famous local food business in other parts of the world. I have still not created it because English Wikipedia is restrictive in terms of sources (India is not so well documented online and offline). I am willing to play by the rules and scout for enough references in order to illustrate the popularity and magnitude of the topic. This is precisely why I looked for substantial references before creating this article. I urge the members involved to also have a look at the conversations between User:Jethwarp and I at the Nirmal Baba article. I hope this is not a vendetta AfD because his edits were reverted there. Noopur28 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:59, 29 April 2013‎ (UTC)[reply]

Another thought, the fact that Wikipedia is accused of gaps in knowledge about things outside the West means that we need more extensive coverage of local cultures outside of America and Europe. I am disappointed that a user who seems to belong to the State and culture (in that sense a local expert) has actually gone and nominated the article for deletion. This was an attempt at bringing in more knowledge but by playing according to Wikipedia's rules. Noopur28 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:06, 29 April 2013‎ (UTC)[reply]

(reply to Noopur) - Afd is not the forum to vent out your feelings about some other article like Nirmal Baba. In fact it was my conversation with Admin User:Bishonen, led to semi-protection of page and blocking of several vandals/sock-puppets over there. (In fact you reverted version, which was okayed by above Admin, [4] pl look into you faults before pointing finger to others.) I have to reply it here out of compulsion as you raised issue here but please resolve any issue at talk page of Nirmal baba not here.

As far as this Afd is concerned, I do not have any issues if article stays, if Wiki community decides it is noteworthy as per guidelines. In fact, this may lead to creation of articles like Induben Khakrawala, Derani-Jethani's ice creams, without any iota of doubt. It would be blessing in disguise for anyone who wants to create such articles in future and one can always cite this AFD as referring point.Jethwarp (talk) 03:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I did not realize that this AfD was started to illustrate how people could debate noteworthiness and then having established it on a written page with obvious citations from Wikipedia policies, go and archive it so as to flag it in the face of someone who *might* come and contest more such articles in the future. I am not venting but if I see a pattern I call it one. I am glad you are not motivated by revenge or bad faith and I wish you reflected upon the implication of putting a "deletion tag" on an article and how readers perceive that information to be. Noopur28 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:14, 30 April 2013‎ (UTC)[reply]

Take it someplace else, guys. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 16:18, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I'm shocked that I ended up voting this way because when I saw "pizza parlor" my initial reaction was "what the hell." Looking over the sources - which are reliable - there does seem to be enougn mainstream coverage designating this parlor as significant in the sense that breaks social ground due to the ownership and popularity. As far as this editor can tell, it does pass the notability guidelines for businesses. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per coverage in reliable independent sources. Candleabracadabra (talk) 00:59, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep.- A notable and well reported example of female entrepreneurship based in Ahmedabad. certainly passes WP:GNG... I am wondering why this discussion is still going on?--Adamstraw99 (talk) 08:25, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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