The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep (all). There is no consensus to delete these albums, there is also not much discussion regarding a merge, which may be appropriate. Merging is a non-afd, non-admin procedure that anyone can do where appropriate without prior discussion. Prior discussion is recommended however for contentious or possibly controversial merges. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the Hills of California[edit]

In the Hills of California (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

non-notable album of an otherwise notable musician - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 16:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Billboard.com does not list the album
• Infobox claim of AMG review does not exist
• Added to this AFD:
  • Honey in the Lion's Head - (review exists, but is this sufficient for WP:MUSIC?)
  • Dream Café - (review exists, but is this sufficient for WP:MUSIC?)
  • In the Dark with You - same as above
  • Songs of Innocence and of Experience (Greg Brown album) - same as above
  • Down in There - same as above
  • Bathtub Blues - same as above
  • Friend of Mine (Greg Brown album) - same as above
  • The Evening Call - same as above

I'm curious why these albums do not fit the Wiki album project. Greg Brown is a very note-worthy folk musician and I believe his albums are just as noteworthy and any of the others that are on here. He has many notable ties to the folk music world and his career is well-followed. All his albums have high All-Music ratings and placing them in the Wiki album project gives others the chance to add to the album info without having to do the initial grunt-work of listing credits, songs, etc. Thanks. User:Airproofing

• Keep all pending the Wiki Album project being given a chance to expand them. Picking and choosing what to include from an artist's canon is a violation of WP:NPOV. The only exception I'll make is if the initial album nominated can be proven a hoax. Go ahead and delete that one if that's the case. 23skidoo (talk) 14:11, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unless citations from reliable sources are added to comply with the verifiability policy. Stifle (talk) 18:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Delete album currently fails WP:MUSIC if Billboard doesn't list it, but as Stifle noted if enough sources can be found that establish notability, then the article can probably have a chance to live. ArcAngel (talk) 19:01, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 20:19, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep all. I don't have time to do all the legwork, but Folkwax, has reviews for Honey in the Lion's Head, If I Had Known: Essential Recordings 1980-1996, Milk of the Moon, In The Hills Of California, and The Evening Call. All Greg Brown albums get reviews, they aren't plentiful online, but are doubtlessly in the pages of backissues of Sing Out!, Dirty Linen, fRoots, and the like. Wikipeida should not ignore folkies just because they are neglected by the All Music Guide and don't maintain a large footprint in cyberspace. -MrFizyx (talk) 16:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll add that Harp has reviews of: Yellow Dog, In the Hills of California: Live from the Kate Wolf Music Festival 1997–2003, Honey in the Lion’s Head, and Going Driftless: An Artist’s Tribute to Greg Brown. Read 'em now while they're still posted online, Harp is going through a bankruptcy. Other places to look for his reviews include No Depression Magazine, and in newspapers like The New York Times and Washington Post.
  • Greg Brown Albums that have been reviewed in fRoots. Listed with issue number:
    • Bathtub Blues (Red House) 130
    • Covenant (Red House) 208
    • Down In There (Red House) 91/92
    • Dream Café (Red House) 108
    • Further In (Red House) 163/164
    • If I Had Known: Essential Recordings, 1980-1996 (Red House) 246
    • In The Dark With You (Red House) 31
    • In The Hills Of California (Red House) 256 ATR
    • One Big Town (Red House) 84
    • One More Goodnight Kiss (Red House) 72
    • One Night (Coffeehouse Extemporé) 26
    • Songs Of Innocence And Experience (Red House) 46
    • The Evening Call (Red House) 282
    • The Live One (Red House) 156
    • The Poet Game (Red House) 139/140
    • Friend Of Mine (Philo) 121

  I am certian a search of Sing Out! would yeild a similar result. -MrFizyx (talk) 05:05, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • PopMatters has reviews online of the following:
    • The Evening Call (Red House)
    • If I Had Known: Essential Recordings: 1980-1996 (Red House)
    • Honey in the Lion's Head (Trailer)
    • Milk of the Moon (Red House)
    • Yellow Dog: Music Notebook Live in the Upper Peninsula (Earthwork Music)

  They also list The Evening Call as the #6th best folk album of 2006. Why don't people do just a bit more homework before they call for the mass deletion of things of which they are ignorant? -MrFizyx (talk) 05:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Washington Post:
    • GREG BROWN "Slant 6 Mind" Red House; STEPHEN FEARING "Industrial Lullaby" Red House Geoffrey Himes; The Washington Post; Oct 9, 1998; N.10
    • GREG BROWN "Covenant" Red House; ALICE PEACOCK "Real Day" Peacock Geoffrey Himes; The Washington Post; Nov 17, 2000; N.09
    • GREG BROWN "Milk of the Moon" ... The Washington Post; Nov 29, 2002; T.07
    • GREG BROWN "The Evening Ca ... The Washington Post; Mar 9, 2007; T.9

  not enough reliable sources out there? -MrFizyx (talk) 05:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. If the artist is notable, isn't the work for which he is notable automatically so? (An actor who becomes a painter wouldn't necessarily have details about the painting, but surely the acting work should be included.)  Frank  |  talk  11:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Wikipedia:ALBUM#Notability says: "Many consider any original studio album by a notable artist to be important enough to deserve an article, other editors follow stricter guidelines." Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Albums states: "Album articles with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article, space permitting." This article is just a track listing, as are all of the others I added to this AFD. While none of thse albums, nor their individual songs, show up as ever having charted anywhere, I would consider retracting the AFD if others would consider the reviews above sufficient to be independent, notable, verifiable, and reliable sources of nontrivial coverage, each album having more than one such review. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 12:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.